Iowa vs ISU Recruiting in Iowa
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Cyclones17
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No idea. I just think it's funny when a fan rips on the instate Iowa talent. Than the team walks out with half it's lineup of Iowa kids. 2 a kid that are starters is a lot. Way more than any other state.
So, if I'm understanding your logic correctly, when a kid commits to a school and then another school enters the picture with an offer, he visits that school and still says "no thanks", that latest offer doesn't count because it came at a later date? Let's be honest, kids want to play for Coach Rhoads. Going forward, I look for ISU's recruiting to really start picking up whether it be in Iowa or not.
DexterMorgan
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My statement wasn't opinion, it was fact.
spudhawk
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I know for a fact this is true. this will be one Iowa will regret getting away.
Hawkeye11en1
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It's not ripping on the kids that DO make it to D1 schools. We have some talent. The number of recruits is the kicker. I was pointing out that Iowa has roughly 2 per class that go on to start (I realize that fluctuates and I am certainly not gonna go look that up). But if we have 8 starters out of 22 that are from Iowa...that really isn't that many.
I don't know off hand, but how many of ISU's starters are from Iowa?
Cyclones17
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5 I think.
Tuftee and Lenz on offense
Knott, McDonough, and Neal on defense (Neal is kind of a starter, became one after Maggitt tore his knee up)
The only kid on this list that is not easily found elsewhere is Darboh.
There are plenty of Malloys, Hills and Rodgers running around if you want them, or better.
AdamHawk
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I have no doubt that Miller has a chance to be very good. However, as has been mentioned several times, Iowa has a very good track record of developing that lesser-known talent. That said, Iowa simply cannot go out and offer scholarships to every diamond in the rough. The Hawkeyes have had great success in developing the Chad Greenways, Brett Greenwoods and Dallas Clarks but they also need the Christian Ballards, Adrian Clayborns and Brian Bulagas.
Nice work, that is a new Hawkeye excuse that I haven't heard before.
I will put that in the bank with 'it's their superbowl', and 'we'd win if it was in November'.
Hawkeye11en1
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It's not a good excuse and it most likely isn't the reason those kids are committed to ISU, but if you can't see a difference in when kids are offered you are being very ignorant. Getting to kids early and showing constant interest IS a determining factor in where a lot of kids go.
exactly. Iowa has gotten plenty of recruits from bigger programs that offered later but the recruit stuck with his Iowa commitment.
I guess I'm not sure how snowcraig thinks this is unheard of. It's the biggest reason for offering early for crying out loud.
The real issue isn't that Miller is going to make or break either program. It's that the football office isn't playing as nicely as ISU in its own back yard. The phone call to Miller's coach has become a bit of a legend in local circles. Coaching circles at the Iowa HS level are pretty small. The arrogance wafting through these circles from Johnson county isn't making things any easier to identify, relate to, and secure "lesser-known talent" within the borders of the state. Iowa football is highly dependent upon in-state talent every year. Our big names come from all over the country, but our depth and special teams come from Iowa.
AdamHawk
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I think you know as well as I do that stories can become fabricated. All it takes is for someone in such 'circle' to make one comment and then it's off to the races. Maybe Morgan did make a call to Miller's HS coach, it doesn't mean he was being all 'pouty' or 'whiney' or whatever other people are calling him. It's all hearsay in my book. Also, I don't think Iowa not offering an unrated single A football player from Brooklyn, IA as a sign of arrogance, nor an inability to secure the talent in this state. Again, Iowa cannot go out and offer a scholarship to every diamond in the rough, this isn't the SEC. There are rules in the B10 about oversigning.
Rumors can get out of control. I heard the story of the phone call from Miller himself.
Iowa can't recruit everywhere. But I do think it's a little weak that a lifelong Hawk fan (Miller) was beating down the doors and doing Iowa camps through high school trying to get a look. After a single visit to Ames and some individual workouts with their S&C coaches he garners a D1 offer on the spot. The ISU staff identified a diamond in the rough and thus far he is contributing ahead of other kids with better star ratings. Iowa wouldn't even sniff at the plate he set in front of them.
No matter how it's spun there are some strong perceptions among local coaches and players that ISU is willing to look in places where Iowa simply refuses. As long as the Hawks are winning, though, nobody will question their formula.
Iowa can't recruit everywhere. But I do think it's a little weak that a lifelong Hawk fan (Miller) was beating down the doors and doing Iowa camps through high school trying to get a look. After a single visit to Ames and some individual workouts with their S&C coaches he garners a D1 offer on the spot. The ISU staff identified a diamond in the rough and thus far he is contributing ahead of other kids with better star ratings. Iowa wouldn't even sniff at the plate he set in front of them.
No matter how it's spun there are some strong perceptions among local coaches and players that ISU is willing to look in places where Iowa simply refuses. As long as the Hawks are winning, though, nobody will question their formula.
CptPuertoRico
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Middle of the road then. Anything prior to a November/December offer can't really be considered a fallback by any means.
It certainly can if recruits higher on the board committed elsewhere before then allowing the staff to move on to their next targets. In fact, that's the very definition of a fallback recruit.
I'm not saying either of those two players were last resort players.
AdamHawk
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And that some pretty strong spin right there. So he sent a video to Morgan and he didn't get back to him. That's unfortunate. From what I read he didn't even attend the 2010 Iowa camp. I will tell you one thing though, I am not going to question Iowa's formula because they didn't offer a kid that has no hype (outside of Brooklyn), from a single A school on a team that hasn't produced a DI athlete in decades. If he ends up being someone who slipped under Iowas radar, good for him! I won't lose any sleep over it though.
