Iowa Strength Coach Is Making $595,000 This Year

I do not understand why this is a big deal. Only people that should remotely care are other S & C coaches. Iowa pays their S&C coach a lot of money, so what.......Good for Chris Doyle, he has earned every bit of it.
 
Like it or not, the University of Iowa is a tax assisted organization and is governed in part by the State of Iowa. The football team represents the University of Iowa. The media should question things. Historically that is their job. It's only a recent phenomena where the media is heavily influenced by advertising dollars and politicians rah rah.

This is not negative publicity and not a bad thing. I doubt they'll cut his pay now. I don't see the big deal that they discussed the Hawks. It is publicity and a part of name recognition. If they have another good season, the nay sayers will diminish. I guess I don't see the big deal.

Doyle is lucky he didn't lose his job 5 years ago. This won't impact him at all.

Now if attendance continues to fall, they costs will have an impact. If TV interest falls more then the salary has an impact.

The long term outlook for college football doesn't look terrific compared to Peak Football. Young people aren't as interested as in previous times. Older people who care more are just that...getting older and income drops after a point.
 
HawkGold said:
Interesting that no one on from ESPN or on this site mentions rhabdogate. The final report of that was pretty serious. That brings about serious questions.... building lower quality players into higher quality at what cost. Is the lack of rhabdo since indicative of a change in the program or simply random environment that could be repeated again? This question arises as to how and why previous such exercises did not produced rhabdo. Also, what are the implications of the long term impact on these (or other players) from such conditioning?

There is something very Iowa about building up average into stellar. It is sort of the heartbeat of the state. There is little special (unordinary) about the state. Yet it is among the better states to live in the nation. It is one of the things KF has done to fit into the state. His mouth says one thing, but what he does often is another (showing a desire to be here).

Myself, I do think the rhabdo incident had something to do with Iowa's downturn. Whether by parents discouraging athletes to come to Iowa or a longer term impact on players that have now cycled through. Maybe they've upped the program again.

I do get tired of hearing Dolph speak of the tired Iowa defense midway through the 4th quarter. This is a problem since KF doesn't put very many teams away. Is it because of the quandary of strength training v endurance training (and they don't go that hand in hand) or because of offensive and defensive calling (lack of possession and lack of changing up such as blitzing).

I thought the segment was fair game. I was surprised they didn't do their homework.

From above, though the 2015 season was fun, I wouldn't exactly call it a March Through the Season. There were a number of close games against some not so good competition.

With an experienced qb and a bevy of veterans, hopefully 2016 will be more of a march.
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The Rhabdo incident was all about energy drinks, but you'll never hear anyone in this country talk about the dangers of these energy drinks. They're pretty much unregulated and nobody wants to 'take on' these companies.These drinks can cause rhabdo 'all by themselves'..."Germany has tracked energy drink–related incidents since 2002.33 Reported outcomes include liver damage, kidney failure, respiratory disorders, agitation, seizures, psychotic conditions, rhabdomyolysis, tachycardia, cardiac dysrhythmias, hypertension, heart failure, and death." It is known that at least some of the players had been drinking alcohol w/energy drinks (that's the in thing with the kids) in the days before the workout. For fear of lawsuits, no one will talk about these 'energy drinks', It is happening to female track athletes, Lacrosse, rowing (Ohio St, had 10 incidents in 2012) etc. etc. etc... The workouts haven't 'intensified' (the Iowa workout had been done numerous times before without incident) in all these sports, it's that these dumb kids are pounding these 'drinks' and that is the difference. Iowa athletes have been told these types of drinks are 'totally' off limits.
 
They have just in the last couple years trying to get a handle on it...........http://www.aboutlawsuits.com/dietary-supplement-reporting-site-59013/.............. and this from a report about firefighters: All identified cases of rhabdomyolysis occurred during or close to either training or actual fire response activities involving high levels of physical exertion, often carrying heavy packs. Despite carrying the prescribed water supplies, dehydration played a significant role in over half of the cases and several firefighters reported inability or considerable difficulty accessing their water supplies during physical exertion. Lack of acclimatization, use of medications or dietary supplements such as creatine, as well as caffeine intake, and other health conditions such as upper respiratory tract infections and flu-like illnesses also were likely contributing factors for the cases of rhabdomyolysis we reviewed. It wasn't the over exertion from Doyle's work-out that was the deciding factor (remember that MOST of the kids didn't get rhabdo) it was the previously consumed energy drinks in most of the cases.
 
Ickehawk said:
The Rhabdo incident was all about energy drinks, but you'll never hear anyone in this country talk about the dangers of these energy drinks. They're pretty much unregulated and nobody wants to 'take on' these companies.These drinks can cause rhabdo 'all by themselves'..."Germany has tracked energy drink–related incidents since 2002.33 Reported outcomes include liver damage, kidney failure, respiratory disorders, agitation, seizures, psychotic conditions, rhabdomyolysis, tachycardia, cardiac dysrhythmias, hypertension, heart failure, and death." It is known that at least some of the players had been drinking alcohol w/energy drinks (that's the in thing with the kids) in the days before the workout. For fear of lawsuits, no one will talk about these 'energy drinks', It is happening to female track athletes, Lacrosse, rowing (Ohio St, had 10 incidents in 2012) etc. etc. etc... The workouts haven't 'intensified' (the Iowa workout had been done numerous times before without incident) in all these sports, it's that these dumb kids are pounding these 'drinks' and that is the difference. Iowa athletes have been told these types of drinks are 'totally' off limits.
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That's not according to the U of I report. Not saying it didn't have and impact though.
 
HawkGold said:
That's not according to the U of I report. Not saying it didn't have and impact though.
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I know what the report said. I think they were afraid. And do you 'ever' get an 'honest' assessment from somebody investigating 'themselves'. I would have liked to see an independent investigation. I truly believe their report was focused entirely on limiting litigation on both ends....
 
To me, the article and espn coverage could be a pretty big negative for Iowa. Not due to any of the criticism of Doyle, but rather for the simple fact that all of this is simply bringing attention to Doyle. I'm sure most head coaches out there are aware of Doyle, but this might cause a few coaches (both in college and in the pros) to take a closer look at him. Given that he's been there for so long, Doyle is obviously happy at Iowa, but there could be some amount of money (or prestige) that could lure him away.
 
I talked to a player I coached (who is now in the NFL) who was on that team, so that's where I got my info about the 'consumption'...
 
To me it can be summed up real easily. Much like with KFs salary Iowa does what they can/have to so they can keep up with the Joneses. If Iowa can get ahead of the curve in this case then more power to them. It's not like Texas, Bama ND etc etc etc can't pay their staffs more. They pay what the market bears. Well Iowa just raised the bar. That simple. Iowa prioritizes the strength coach just as much as the coordinators. Nobody can make an argument against that being 'wrong' can they? There are a ton of players not just at Iowa that would certainly say as much... So I guess those that do have a problem need to specify if it's the total amount of him getting paid the most of any strength coach or if it's that he's being looked at as an equal to coordinators.
 
Lost in all of this is that the coordinator pay has jumped up quite a bit recently. In fact until this article came out, I was under the impression that that OC and DC were still making around $350k. I am pretty sure that's what Greg Davis was making his first year at Iowa. I remember that because it seemed low at the time. So if Davis and Parker are now making $600k, that's a pretty big jump in 4 years. I wonder if Iowa is quietly trying to get its assistant pay more in line with the Michigan's of the world.

Or was the decision made when Doyle got his bump to make sure our coordinators were not making less than the strength coach.
 
As for is the strength coach worth the same salary as the coordinators, I agree that is about priorities. Is it more important to have players developed into a physical specimen beyond what is natural, or is it more important to come up with schemes and techniques that outsmart out prepare the other team. In the first case, there may be ethical questions along the lines of how far you push these players physically until it just gets absurd. In the latter case, you have the problem of your schemes only work for so long until the other coaches figure it out and adjust.
 
The athletic department does NOT get tax money- it is all raised by them. ISU and UNI get tax dollars for their Athletic departments. So drop that argument now as it is false.
 
HawkGold said:
Interesting that no one on from ESPN or on this site mentions rhabdogate. The final report of that was pretty serious. That brings about serious questions.... building lower quality players into higher quality at what cost. Is the lack of rhabdo since indicative of a change in the program or simply random environment that could be repeated again? This question arises as to how and why previous such exercises did not produced rhabdo. Also, what are the implications of the long term impact on these (or other players) from such conditioning?

There is something very Iowa about building up average into stellar. It is sort of the heartbeat of the state. There is little special (unordinary) about the state. Yet it is among the better states to live in the nation. It is one of the things KF has done to fit into the state. His mouth says one thing, but what he does often is another (showing a desire to be here).

Myself, I do think the rhabdo incident had something to do with Iowa's downturn. Whether by parents discouraging athletes to come to Iowa or a longer term impact on players that have now cycled through. Maybe they've upped the program again.

I do get tired of hearing Dolph speak of the tired Iowa defense midway through the 4th quarter. This is a problem since KF doesn't put very many teams away. Is it because of the quandary of strength training v endurance training (and they don't go that hand in hand) or because of offensive and defensive calling (lack of possession and lack of changing up such as blitzing).

I thought the segment was fair game. I was surprised they didn't do their homework.

From above, though the 2015 season was fun, I wouldn't exactly call it a March Through the Season. There were a number of close games against some not so good competition.

With an experienced qb and a bevy of veterans, hopefully 2016 will be more of a march.
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This post tells me one thing: you don't know much about rhabdo, but you ARE able to glean info from websites. Just not objective info.

You can get rhabdo without even doing a workout. You can get it from poor choices in the days leading up to strenuous activity. You can get it when you get stranded in a survival situation and don't have available water.

The Iowa rhabdo situation had a lot less to do with Doyle and a lot more to do with local booze distributors and retailers.
 
Interesting point on the energy drinks; funny you mentioned there's very little regulation of them. I (high school coach) was at a strength and conditioning training a few years ago (maye 3-4) and the individual putting on the clinic indicated that based on the reports, being generated at that time, he'd be very surprised if they weren't pulled off the market with in the next 5-10 years.

I've always been very concerned about Energy Drinks, but based on their popularity and their place in the marketing/endorsement world, I think the monster (no pun intended) has become too powerful of a player in the industry and don't think its going anywhere; regardless of how harmful they can be.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
This post tells me one thing: you don't know much about rhabdo, but you ARE able to glean info from websites. Just not objective info.

You can get rhabdo without even doing a workout. You can get it from poor choices in the days leading up to strenuous activity. You can get it when you get stranded in a survival situation and don't have available water.

The Iowa rhabdo situation had a lot less to do with Doyle and a lot more to do with local booze distributors and retailers.
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I actually know quite a bit about it as I have a relative with a bleeding disorder and that is a heightened danger. I don't know why posters like you have to start our with comments that are insulting. I would guess my knowledge base is much higher than you.

Sounds to me like you have over the top fan disease infecting your brain. Players drinking isn't limited to Iowa and the Iowa incident was relatively isolated and it did have long term impact.

So pls stop insulting my intelligence and yours with such homer non objective comments. comments.

It still amazes me that ESPN didn't comment on it. It was a big deal. Being a fan of a team doesn't mean you have to put on a stupid hat.
 
The Des Moines Register seems to care about the almost $600K Doyle makes. They said the U of I should take some of the salary money Doyle and other coaches make and put it back into academic efforts.

Yeah, so they can better teach and indoctrinate our young people the way they see fit I suppose.
 
SteveGarvey1 said:
The Des Moines Register seems to care about the almost $600K Doyle makes. They said the U of I should take some of the salary money Doyle and other coaches make and put it back into academic efforts.

Yeah, so they can better teach and indoctrinate our young people the way they see fit I suppose.
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I don't think it's much of a stretch to suggest Doyle does more to build character and traits of success that impact students' lives than a big chunk of faculty on campus. Don't twist that.. of course they teach many academic areas with expertise, but that's a different statement.
 
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I've literally had one drink/sip of Red Bull in my life. Didn't like anything about it. This was in it's infancy. Not sure why people drink those things. Disgusting.
 
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