The woman and Pollack made my point. Desmond does have a point that we ran out of gas, however, our defense spent way too much time on the field that game. Not sure I can pin that one on Doyle but I'm sure he will use those types of comments to fuel the fire.
Iowa Strength Coach Is Making $595,000 This Year
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PawkHawk1
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This.
We always hear about the coaches shaping the players into fine young men that will contribute to society in a positive way and enrich their communities. And Coach Doyle is a very big part of that. He spends a ton of time with these kids.
So, good for him. He deserves every penny.
And f.u Desmond Howard.
judzeehawk
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Wish I hadn't listened to that dumb @@@@ desmond! Just some more esecpn bull$hip! Mr. meetchicken man I can't wait for harbaugh to be humiliated in Kinnick! You're savior is nothing but a big mouth! Hey desmond how about showing up for that game! Coach Doyle get then boys ready!
OMG that discussion makes my blood boil. First of all how anti capitalistic is it for them to sit up there on their high horses and talk about how someone is making too much money when anyone else could do the same about what each of them are? I bet all of them sitting up there are making as much or more than Doyle and what do they do for a living? Dress up travel around for free and talk about football… There are plenty of journalists at other stations that don’t make near what they do and are probably just as invested in doing what they do so what gives there? So any talking head that wants to criticize what a person like Doyle who is working his arse off for each and every kid from the 5 stars to the 2 star walk ons the same is making can just go fly a kite.
Second of all they never take the whole picture into account. When Booger and Desmond what to sum up the mans work down to one drive/one play in a season that’s not even close to fair. Like you mentioned time of possession in that game was very much in MSUs favor and Iowa scoring on that first play of the 4th q to Smith almost kinda worked against them. Putting the D right back out there again just didn’t help them a bit. But my overall point is it’s not remotely fair to do that to him and neither of those two would do that to a coach they covet. They never mentioned how Doyle has been there pretty much every day that KF has been. That tenure and loyalty certainly counts and should be rewarded since he's had a multitude of offers to move on to greener pastures..I bet if they ran down the number of kids he’s put in the pros. The number of kids who were walk ons in the pros compared to other programs over that period of time he’d have far and away more of them.
Now allow me to flip the argument back on to them. I’d say Iowa is ahead of the curve here. They argue that Iowa is paying too much. I say the other schools aren’t valuing that part of their programs enough. Again Doyle and his staff spends the most amount of time over 12 months with the kids. Each and every one get specialized programs to help them be it gain weight lose weight get stronger, faster, jump higher increase endurance etc etc etc. How each kid dedicates themselves to the programs and to Doyle usually is the end all be all to their success.
Think about it Iowa is all about development. You’d think that it’d be damn near impossible for ND, Michigan, PSU, Texas, Nebraska, USC, UCLA, Miami, Florida and I could probably go on as I ramble for those types of 'higher profile's chools to have any down years compared to Iowa right? Well all of them have been relativily down some more than others lately the last 10 yrs or so but how can that be when they all have more talent and recruit better than Iowa yr in and yr out…. We all know the answer I’m done with my rant.
MelroseHawkins
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Oh, how they just happen to forget the first 10 games and Iowa marching thru the BIG with an 8-0 record. That is very difficult to do. Iowa is know for being physical with 3 and occasional 4* players. That just does not happen over night. F them.
MelroseHawkins
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Couple points.
1) They are getting a free education if on scholarship.
2) Allowing schools to pay athletes would just create a whole new avenue for illegal payments or unfair payments to certain schools and be impossible to police.
3) If pay players, then scholarship players from all sports would expect a stipend. Not just football.
AdamHawk
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Going to take a lot more than $600k per year to start paying all of the student athletes 'a little monthly pocket change' and that won't come from the NCAA's bottom line, it would come from the Universities'.
hawkdrummer1
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Never confuse a critic with an expert. Those bashing Doyle have no clue what they're talking about, from both a training and coaching perspective.
Iowa's program wouldn't be anywhere near where it is athletically without Doyle. He builds athletes beyond the potential that many see in them.
He's also effectively an associate Head Coach. He does more to develop the character of these young men than many head coaches...he's much more than just a strength coach.
The "experts" who've never been to Iowa City have no clue about that.
Iowa's program wouldn't be anywhere near where it is athletically without Doyle. He builds athletes beyond the potential that many see in them.
He's also effectively an associate Head Coach. He does more to develop the character of these young men than many head coaches...he's much more than just a strength coach.
The "experts" who've never been to Iowa City have no clue about that.
HawkGold
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Interesting that no one on from ESPN or on this site mentions rhabdogate. The final report of that was pretty serious. That brings about serious questions.... building lower quality players into higher quality at what cost. Is the lack of rhabdo since indicative of a change in the program or simply random environment that could be repeated again? This question arises as to how and why previous such exercises did not produced rhabdo. Also, what are the implications of the long term impact on these (or other players) from such conditioning?
There is something very Iowa about building up average into stellar. It is sort of the heartbeat of the state. There is little special (unordinary) about the state. Yet it is among the better states to live in the nation. It is one of the things KF has done to fit into the state. His mouth says one thing, but what he does often is another (showing a desire to be here).
Myself, I do think the rhabdo incident had something to do with Iowa's downturn. Whether by parents discouraging athletes to come to Iowa or a longer term impact on players that have now cycled through. Maybe they've upped the program again.
I do get tired of hearing Dolph speak of the tired Iowa defense midway through the 4th quarter. This is a problem since KF doesn't put very many teams away. Is it because of the quandary of strength training v endurance training (and they don't go that hand in hand) or because of offensive and defensive calling (lack of possession and lack of changing up such as blitzing).
I thought the segment was fair game. I was surprised they didn't do their homework.
From above, though the 2015 season was fun, I wouldn't exactly call it a March Through the Season. There were a number of close games against some not so good competition.
With an experienced qb and a bevy of veterans, hopefully 2016 will be more of a march.
There is something very Iowa about building up average into stellar. It is sort of the heartbeat of the state. There is little special (unordinary) about the state. Yet it is among the better states to live in the nation. It is one of the things KF has done to fit into the state. His mouth says one thing, but what he does often is another (showing a desire to be here).
Myself, I do think the rhabdo incident had something to do with Iowa's downturn. Whether by parents discouraging athletes to come to Iowa or a longer term impact on players that have now cycled through. Maybe they've upped the program again.
I do get tired of hearing Dolph speak of the tired Iowa defense midway through the 4th quarter. This is a problem since KF doesn't put very many teams away. Is it because of the quandary of strength training v endurance training (and they don't go that hand in hand) or because of offensive and defensive calling (lack of possession and lack of changing up such as blitzing).
I thought the segment was fair game. I was surprised they didn't do their homework.
From above, though the 2015 season was fun, I wouldn't exactly call it a March Through the Season. There were a number of close games against some not so good competition.
With an experienced qb and a bevy of veterans, hopefully 2016 will be more of a march.
AdamHawk
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HawkGold
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If you really believe the video you posted you are the idiot. I think we know how the program works. That part of it you are just being stupid about (of course we all know how it works). I'm sorry you can't have intelligent discussions. Being an idiot is personality. You can't do much about stupid.
Robowe
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You do know this happened last year, right? It may not be much, but it's a start.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/04/news/companies/extra-cash-college-athletes/
The stipends are going to football and basketball players. But they are also available to athletes in the "non revenue" sports such as soccer, lacrosse, baseball and volleyball.
ibahawkeye
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So he makes 12% more than the Alabama Strength and conditioning coach. He's also been at his position for 18 years which is about twice as long as the Alabama coach.
Seems to me he has a competitive pay based on the results he's provided.
Seems to me he has a competitive pay based on the results he's provided.
guffus
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That is an interesting point. If the secret to Iowa's success is building average people into these freaks of nature, you have to ask yourself at what point are they taking it too far. 300 pound people crashing into other 300 pound people at high speeds does seem to cross some line that is not helping the concussion problem. You have to wonder if there are limits coming to combat that.
I have seen proposed the idea that college football players should have a limit of 275 pounds for anybody under 6 foot 6 inches. That could be a start. Anything more than 275 pounds is just unnatural or, ok, maybe just unhealthy. But there are some serious health risks to beefing your body up too big, right?
I hope Iowa is monitoring those risks and taking those risks into account when pushing these players bodies beyond their natural limits.
I have seen proposed the idea that college football players should have a limit of 275 pounds for anybody under 6 foot 6 inches. That could be a start. Anything more than 275 pounds is just unnatural or, ok, maybe just unhealthy. But there are some serious health risks to beefing your body up too big, right?
I hope Iowa is monitoring those risks and taking those risks into account when pushing these players bodies beyond their natural limits.
docholihawk
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Not to mention walk-ons.
