Iowa State has been decimated



AreWeThereYet said:
I think Campbell felt boxed in by Pollard's conservatism on a number of issues. Pollard hasn't exactly updated his methods with the times. When the Penn State job opened up Campell saw the resources and opportunity and jumped ship.

Iowa State had a lot of good years with Campell. Now is the hangover after the party.
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Undoubtedly that was part of it, but the stuff earlier in this thread was just blatantly untrue.

His budget at PSU is more than 2x that of Iowa State. Iowa State will be 14 million, PSU has guaranteed him 30+ million.

These type of jobs don’t open often and it’s probably the only one he would get. I don’t think there is more to it than that.
 


BryceC said:
Undoubtedly that was part of it, but the stuff earlier in this thread was just blatantly untrue.

His budget at PSU is more than 2x that of Iowa State. Iowa State will be 14 million, PSU has guaranteed him 30+ million.

These type of jobs don’t open often and it’s probably the only one he would get. I don’t think there is more to it than that.
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I think Campbell liked the stability at Iowa State. Iowa State could also win in the current Big 12.

9-3 is probably the basement at Penn State. Any lower than that and the grumbling will begin in earnest. There will be a lot of pressure to make the CFP at least twice in the next four years. That will be a tall order.
 


AreWeThereYet said:
I think Campbell liked the stability at Iowa State. Iowa State could also win in the current Big 12.

9-3 is probably the basement at Penn State. Any lower than that and the grumbling will begin in earnest. There will be a lot of pressure to make the CFP at least twice in the next four years. That will be a tall order.
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He ain't winning 9 next year if his roster is full ISU port-holes
 






Just for those keeping track at home, Iowa State, counting the graduating seniors is down 57 players.
 


BryceC said:
Just for those keeping track at home, Iowa State, counting the graduating seniors is down 57 players.
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Well, your man, Jimmy Rogers…at least has experience in dealing with the mass exodus of players.;)
 


AreWeThereYet said:
I think Campbell liked the stability at Iowa State. Iowa State could also win in the current Big 12.

9-3 is probably the basement at Penn State. Any lower than that and the grumbling will begin in earnest. There will be a lot of pressure to make the CFP at least twice in the next four years. That will be a tall order.
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I think he'll do as good, or better than any recent PSU coach. I think he'll never match the highs of any previous long lasting PSU coach, but he will equal the later years of the coach who shall not be named.

That being said, ISU fans have to admit the decimation this is causing.
Will/would Iowa be decimated under a similar situation?
No. They would not. Would they be reeling? Of course. But would they have the same fight and challenges on their hand as ISU? Similar. But nothing remotely to the scale ISU is experiencing.

Which just shows that ISU was NEVER close to being the "dominant" program in the state.
Iowa is still national and consistent "top 25" program.

That all being said, this is why I hope that Kirk swallows whatever pride he needs to, if necessary, and understands that when he goes (by his choice of timing, or that his choice of timing might get forced upon him) that he agrees to go without a bad word and in seeming lockstep with Goetz. And they do both do it on an actual timeline due to an existing plan.
 


dagdaj said:
I think he'll do as good, or better than any recent PSU coach. I think he'll never match the highs of any previous long lasting PSU coach, but he will equal the later years of the coach who shall not be named.

That being said, ISU fans have to admit the decimation this is causing.
Will/would Iowa be decimated under a similar situation?
No. They would not. Would they be reeling? Of course. But would they have the same fight and challenges on their hand as ISU? Similar. But nothing remotely to the scale ISU is experiencing.

Which just shows that ISU was NEVER close to being the "dominant" program in the state.
Iowa is still national and consistent "top 25" program.

That all being said, this is why I hope that Kirk swallows whatever pride he needs to, if necessary, and understands that when he goes (by his choice of timing, or that his choice of timing might get forced upon him) that he agrees to go without a bad word and in seeming lockstep with Goetz. And they do both do it on an actual timeline due to an existing plan.
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I don't think it's so much Campbell leaving that decimated ISU, but rather how it went down. I don't see that happening in Iowa City. Sure there will be some fall out, but not nearly that of epic proportions like were seeing in Ames.
 




We could be seeing Iowa St. fall back to where they were during the Walden years. The drop off is going to be big the next couple years. It will be interesting to see if Rogers can keep the most water out of the ship and regain what they have had in recent years. Prob helps with Iowa St. playing in the BIG 12 which is quite different now than in the past. That will help.
 


Not sure of the count right now, but the last I saw, they had 17 players. I just saw they got a commitment from a D2 1st team all-American LB from Texas. That's a pretty big time pick up and yes, I'm being serious. Lots of playing time up for grabs which will make it easier to bring in players. It's putting all of these pieces together that will be the toughest part.
 


MelroseHawkins said:
We could be seeing Iowa St. fall back to where they were during the Walden years. The drop off is going to be big the next couple years. It will be interesting to see if Rogers can keep the most water out of the ship and regain what they have had in recent years. Prob helps with Iowa St. playing in the BIG 12 which is quite different now than in the past. That will help.
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Jim Walden....

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AreWeThereYet said:
I think Campbell liked the stability at Iowa State. Iowa State could also win in the current Big 12.

9-3 is probably the basement at Penn State. Any lower than that and the grumbling will begin in earnest. There will be a lot of pressure to make the CFP at least twice in the next four years. That will be a tall order.
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ISU's chances to make the CFP took a big hit now that Texas Tech is a virtual lock for the B12 championship game every season going forward. When you have a billionaire writing checks, it changes the equation.
 


hawkinstl said:
Rogers dropping the F-Bomb, aimed towards the Hawks when introduced at Hilton, makes him a first class dick right off the bat!
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That was an obvious -- and therefore very unauthentic -- attempt to copy Cignetti's verbal blast at Purdue when he was first introduced at an Indiana bball game, which went viral.
 




MelroseHawkins said:
We could be seeing Iowa St. fall back to where they were during the Walden years. The drop off is going to be big the next couple years. It will be interesting to see if Rogers can keep the most water out of the ship and regain what they have had in recent years. Prob helps with Iowa St. playing in the BIG 12 which is quite different now than in the past. That will help.
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There may be a big drop-off, there may not be. People need to remember that Cambell never brought in that many great recruits to ISU...I think his highest ranked recruiting class was in the mid-40s. He did have a special talent to bring in excellent QBs and WRs, but other than that, it was all development. If Rogers is as a good a coach as I suspect he is, he'll be fine, as will ISU. The days of teams being 'decimated' lasts about 1 season, if that. Then it's back to normal.
 






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