NikeHawk21
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I don't think our back up PG who is a true freshman will be a top 35 player in the conference either. Thank you though.
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I don't think our back up PG who is a true freshman will be a top 35 player in the conference either. Thank you though.
Let me rephrase that. His competition sucked that year. He wasn't some stud freshman who could come in and start on any team. Him playing so many minutes his freshman year was soley due to the team around him. A luxury that most players don't have when trying to amass career stats.
Who do Bohannon and CW have to compete against for PG minutes? Pretty much the exact same situation with Mike and Sapp as freshman. Two unproven players, the only difference is CW has a year in the program which he didn't really do anything and Mike was a highly regarded recruit
Well Williams only has 3 years to really rack up minutes played. Bohannon has to beat out Williams. Who did Gesell have to beat out for his starting spot?
Why didn't Williams beat out Mike last year if Mike was so mediocre? He at least should have played more minutes than he did if he was even as close to being as good as Mike and Sapp
Bohannon has nobody to beat out, the job is wide open just like when Mike got here
No- and you're understanding this issue the way you want to rather than as intended. JB is coming into a team more offensively talented than Mike did. JB may well not score as much as Mike because the greater talent will limit his opportunities. However, it will also make him a smaller part of a D's game plan, making the opportunities he does get better ones.
Mike had different scoring talents- his biggest threat was the midrange shot and he learned to drive to the hoop. His hops helped with that. JB is obviously a shooter who can drive. 3 points is greater than 2, and with his range, tough to shut down, especially with other threats to worry about.
Mike was a great ball-control PG. This got him a lot of minutes his pure O wouldn't have gotten him. JB may well be the 2nd PG on the team this year and 3rd next year. Williams may be our defensive stopper this year and Connor will obviously know the Iowa system pretty well from game 1.
I completely disagree. Mike walked into a team that made it to the NIT Title game
MisterLucky
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I don't necessarily disagree with any of the arguments you're making, but it is a fact that McCaffery is prone to playing his upper classmen almost to a fault.
While I agree to an extent, Mike was easily our best option at PG last year, not even close.
We'll see. I think this team has more offensive firepower but will only be able to show it if the PGs can produce a decent A/T ratio. If they can, specifically if CW has a 2/1 ratio, they're going dancing, no question.
How many PPG do we return? Lots of unknowns with this team for me to think we have more offensive firepower than the NIT Title team
Williams got better and better as the year went on. By the end of the year, it probably wouldn't have been that big of a drop off at all if Mike got hurt and Williams filled his spot. That was 8 months ago. My hope is he has improved even more in that time and has pulled even to where Mike was last year. Some players improve a lot over their career and some don't really improve much at all. I'm hoping Williams improvement over the course of last year is a sign that he is a player that will improve a lot.
Unfortunately, Mike almost regressed as an offensive player. (Not overall, just offense). So while when he was a freshman he looked like a player who was going to be irreplaceable, by the time he was a senior, it didn't really pan out that way.
I also agree with the poster who said Fran stayed loyal to Mike. I don't think it was because he was a senior tho. I think it was because his ceiling was so high that Fran had to assume every game was the game he would turn it around. I don't think Williams is a player who is capable of doing what Gesell did in some of his best games. It's possible, but Mike's good was actually really good. The problem is, we rarely saw Mike's good. That is why there may not be a drop off. Because Mike could never reach anywhere near his ceiling.
I actually think this team on paper is very comparable to that team.
1. Gesell as an unknown freshman.
Williams as a pretty unknown sophomore.
Push
2. Marble as a pretty good junior.
Jok as a really good senior.
Advantage Jok.
3. May as a hustling senior.
Baer as a hustling sophomore.
Push.
4. White as a pretty decent junior.
Uhl as a pretty decent junior.
Advantage White
5. Woody as a high ranked recruit.
Cook as a high ranked recruit.
Push on paper but my guess is advantage. Cook.
Bench. Clemmons, Besabe, Olaseni, Archie, Oglesby, McCabe.
Wagner, Jones, Moss, Bohannon, Pemsel, Ellingson.
Tough to tell here. I think this bench. has less experience with a way higher ceiling.
Advantage Mike for sure since he was a high ranked recruit
By that standard, Baer shouldn't even be considered as a factor.
No I just don't know why he gave credit for Woodbury and Cook for being high ranked recruits but left out Mike and called him an unknown. Cook's 247 composite was 72nd, Mike's was 89th
The ranking gets the look but not the nod. You can get the ranking for lots of reasons that may or may not be usable.
I'm not sure what this means
If Williams was a freshman this year I would agree. Judging by the way he played at the end of last year, I would say it's close to a push. Maybe slight advantage Mike. What do you think about the comparison other than that? I think the two teams are very comparable.