Mike was honorable mention all conference and averaged 8ppg in his career. I don't know why everyone thinks he was such a liability on offense but if Bohannon can even get close to matching his offensive stats it will be a surprise in my opinion
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Mike was honorable mention all conference and averaged 8ppg in his career. I don't know why everyone thinks he was such a liability on offense but if Bohannon can even get close to matching his offensive stats it will be a surprise in my opinion
Hawkalum2002
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Brody was right there at 39-40 percent shooting and 35 percent threes.
I thinks it's because the last two years he usually got stuck with the ball to take the last shots. Even when he'd pass it last year especially to Uthoff, they'd always pass it back with even less time on the shot clock by then . But the truth is the two years previous it was Marble in the same situation, and other than the Tennessee game in the final game of his career, he always missed the shot or didn't get a good one off either. So it's more on the offense design than any player. Plus Mike got rejected from time to time driving (but he also finished plenty of dunks and three point plays along the way), Matt Gatens had the same problem in his career here but nobody cared about Iowa basketball during that time to complain about it lol. It was obvious in the big games last year against MSU, Indiana twice, Michigan, Ohio State, and UNC and Davidson the year before that Mike was a very capable scorer when called upon. That Purdue game where Aaron White got hurt, Mike scored something like 16 in a row to tie it up before ultimately Purdue got another to win it and he missed the last shot to tie it again. He could've averaged 10-12 per game had he taken more shots, and he never piled up the points in the non-conference games. I remember last year he had a game with 9 or 10 first half assists and zero points for instance. That hurts your average at the end of the year for people that only look at those numbers.
I thinks it's because the last two years he usually got stuck with the ball to take the last shots. Even when he'd pass it last year especially to Uthoff, they'd always pass it back with even less time on the shot clock by then . But the truth is the two years previous it was Marble in the same situation, and other than the Tennessee game in the final game of his career, he always missed the shot or didn't get a good one off either. So it's more on the offense design than any player. Plus Mike got rejected from time to time driving (but he also finished plenty of dunks and three point plays along the way), Matt Gatens had the same problem in his career here but nobody cared about Iowa basketball during that time to complain about it lol. It was obvious in the big games last year against MSU, Indiana twice, Michigan, Ohio State, and UNC and Davidson the year before that Mike was a very capable scorer when called upon. That Purdue game where Aaron White got hurt, Mike scored something like 16 in a row to tie it up before ultimately Purdue got another to win it and he missed the last shot to tie it again. He could've averaged 10-12 per game had he taken more shots, and he never piled up the points in the non-conference games. I remember last year he had a game with 9 or 10 first half assists and zero points for instance. That hurts your average at the end of the year for people that only look at those numbers.
Allow me to back track alittle. I don’t think Jordan will be a stud day 1 or year 1. It’s hard telling how many mins he’ll even really get this year. But next year after Jok is gone is when the number of minutes to be had not to mention shots to be had will really be up for grabs. I don’t think Ellingson will figure in to any large degree I haven’t been impressed with him. He’s Oglesby 2.0 as far as I can tell. Now Moss is an interesting X factor. If he turns into a stud and has a game similar to say Marble did (the younger) then it’ll be a continuing competition between Williams and Bohannan for mins for their whole career.
Agreed, Fran put Mike in some bad situations at the end of games and I think people just assume Mike was terrible on offense. Another poster showed he was actually better shooting from the floor than some other good Iowa PG's so I think the Mike hate is unwarranted. Mike would be playing 30+ mpg at PG if he was still here this upcoming year because he would be by far our best option to run the show
NikeHawk21
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MG by season:
Pts per 40 Min
Fr: 13.8
So: 13.2
Jr: 11.6
Sr: 10.8
3s made:
Fr: 33
So: 29
Jr: 16
Sr: 16
As a scorer, MG can be replaced.
In regards to Jordan he may not average 8 points this year or even next, but that doesn't mean he won't be a better offensive player than MG. Also, I'd wager he hits more than 16 3s this year
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Pts per 40 Min
Fr: 13.8
So: 13.2
Jr: 11.6
Sr: 10.8
3s made:
Fr: 33
So: 29
Jr: 16
Sr: 16
As a scorer, MG can be replaced.
In regards to Jordan he may not average 8 points this year or even next, but that doesn't mean he won't be a better offensive player than MG. Also, I'd wager he hits more than 16 3s this year
.It doesn't mean that one is better or worse than the other. They are different type of players, and both earned their division 1 scholarships. I'm looking forward to what Williams and Bohannon can do this year. I think they both will have an easier job than Gesell with the talent they have around them.
Mike was a priority recruit that could have went to a lot of big programs, Jordan "earned" his scholarship after we whiffed on all of our top priorities. If Jordan ends up being even close to the player Mike was I think it will be a win for everyone
Since you like stats so much, why don't you look up how many shots per game Mike took compared to other good point guards. It's not his percentage that hurt us, it was his lack of attempts. I had 2nd row seats mid court for a game last year and was in awe of how much room to shoot the defense gave him. TV in no way does it justice on showing how much the defense sagged off him.
As far as shooting percentage goes, would you say a player like Devin Archie was a good offensive player if he played 30 minutes a game and had 100% shooting percentage because his one attempt every time was a putback dunk?
SteveGarvey1
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I think Bo could average 8 ppg by his Junior year. Depends on how much talent is around him. If the defense is drawn to other players, his three-point ability could be deadly.
Mike averaged 7.3 FGA per game in his career which is probably right where it should have been since he was usually the third best scoring option on the team.
You're comparing Devin Archie to someone that shot the ball 973 times in college?
When did I compare Devin Archie to anyone?
Mike shot almost 1000 shots in his career, that's a huge sample size to determine his FG%. I'm not going to say someone was a good offensive player because they had a good FG% if the sample size is very small
Turns out you missed the point completely. I'm not saying he didn't shoot enough to give you a good sample size. I'm saying he didn't shoot enough to be considered a decent offensive player.
He shot the ball 973 times in his career and averaged 8ppg. I would say that's more than a "decent" offensive player
Look at how many minutes he played in his career. Look at how faced paced the team was he played on. Most importantly, look at his senior year.
He was 4th on the team in FGA and PPG, barely behind Sapp. I never said he was some great offensive player but he took what the defense gave him and was honorable mention all conference because of it. He definitely wasn't a liability on offense. You think Bohannon who was way less recruited and way less athletic than Mike is going to come in and average double figures at any point of his career? People are going to smother him at the 3 pt line and he's not athletic enough to get to the rim in the Big Ten from what I've seen. I'd be beyond thrilled if he got to 8ppg at any season in his career and Mike did that as a freshman and that's just talking about offense. What Mike did on defense is going to be missed more than anything he did on offense
NikeHawk21
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1. If he took what than the defense gave him he would have had more than 16 3s last year. 16 3s for a college guard who played roughly 30 mins a game is very poor.
2. Horner and Oliver attempted roughly 11 shots per game their junior and senior years. Most people that know snuff about basketball would tell you with a sample size that large, if someone shot an additional four shots/game (MG attempted roughly 7 his Jr. and Sr. year), there FG % would almost certainly go down.
3. In the world of 5656 do you think it is possible for Jordan to be a better scorer than MG and average less PPG/ score less points than MG did in his career? This question is very important in determining where you stand as far a knowledge of the sport. I'll provide you with some help, when MG and JU were both sophomores, MG actually averaged more PPG, who was the better scorer?
4. Lastly, I just want to give you continued credit for your trolling abilities. We're staring down yet another derailed thread which has got to put you close to an 80% kill rate. That Devon Archie exchange up there was you trolling at your absolute best!
Do I think it's possible for Jordan to be a better scorer than MG and average less PPG? Maybe, Mike earned his playing time. I guess Jordan could be a better scorer but not play as much because he'll be a liability on defense. I think Jordan is an undersized SG so I'm not sure how much he'll contribute this year and might get recruited over
If people smother him 30 feet out then he will help more on offense scoring zero points a game than Gesell did scoring 8.
No one is going to smother him 30 feet out unless they are trying to steal the ball from him
