Iowa OC/DC Rankings Since 1999

GesterHawk said:
I think you mean Average, not mean.

When you look at BF's scoring offense, it is much higher than the yard based metrics. When you combine that with the defensive rankings, it makes more sense. A team isn't going to put up a ton of yards when they have a short field to go. Our extremely high number of interceptions last year really contributed to that.

Would I have rather seen about 14 more points on the board for each of the last 2 games, yes I would have. Who wouldn't?
Would I rather have seen our receivers and tight ends catch the dang ball, yes I would have.
Some times we just need to take a step back and look at the whole picture.
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Seriously, I'm pretty sure this post just took over the #1 position for dumbest post of the year.

You heard it here first, folks. The mean isn't the average and our offense sucks because our defense is so good.
 
tksirius said:
Is that your excuse for claiming our offense sucks because our defense is good?
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Iowa regularly plays the field position game and that does impair the offensive output. It has been that way for pretty much 20 years, I don't think it's too controversial of a point. Iowa intentionally tries to shorten the game, which leaves the defense on the field for fewer reps and boosts their stats, to the detriment of the offense. It's a good strategy to beat better teams because you'll see games against teams Iowa has no business beating coming down to a possession or two at the end, but the downside is it leaves Iowa susceptible against teams like Northwestern or Purdue last year or Minnesota those years that they totally sucked. I'm sure Iowa could go out there and try to play tempo and boost yardage and even scoring, but the downside of that would be 20 more plays for the defense and it would harm them. Kirk coaches the units to be a cohesive team, which is becoming rare. A lot of teams in Big 12 and Pac 12 just go tempo all the time and it makes their defenses look like hot garbage.
 
tksirius said:
Oh dear god
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Do you disagree? There is a risk/reward dial that Kirk has, with 1 being low risk, low reward and 10 being high risk, high reward. The guy has had it set to about 2 during 90% of his tenure. Maybe for a brief stint of "Kirk 2.0" he dialed it up to 5 for a few games.
 
tksirius said:
Is that your excuse for claiming our offense sucks because our defense is good?
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It is not an excuse, just logical reasoning. If the defense gives the offense short fields to work with, they will obviously have to cover less yards to score. Like under BF's first year. There is a huge difference between yards ranking and scoring ranking - your stats. A better tell of Iowa's offense would be scoring efficiency. How many points per posession do they score. That with scoring ranking is more telling.

And yes, I did talk about how this year's offense is not where I would like it to be. Sorry I wasn't dickish enough in my rebuke of the offense for your liking.
 
The Iowa offense has always been an extension of the Iowa defense under KF. And the Iowa Defense is an extension of the Iowa Offense.

It is really a simple concept. I am not sure why that is so hard for you to understand without resorting to personal attacks towards view points that are not al8gned with yours.

But it does seem like I need to stroke your sense of worth, so here you go: The offense this year has been lack luster even by Iowa's standards. There, feel better?
 
GesterHawk said:
It is not an excuse, just logical reasoning. If the defense gives the offense short fields to work with, they will obviously have to cover less yards to score. Like under BF's first year. There is a huge difference between yards ranking and scoring ranking - your stats. A better tell of Iowa's offense would be scoring efficiency. How many points per posession do they score. That with scoring ranking is more telling.

And yes, I did talk about how this year's offense is not where I would like it to be. Sorry I wasn't dickish enough in my rebuke of the offense for your liking.
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Iowa was #40 in points per play in 2017 and #25 in 2003. Those were the only years I looked at.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/points-per-play?date=2018-01-08
 
tksirius said:
Iowa is 104th in yards per play. Iowa was 103rd last year. Take your idiocy somewhere else, please.
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Yeah, and Nebraska had 2x as many turnovers as Iowa has had in 2 games after 2 freaking possessions. It's risk-reward, my friend.

If, and this is a big if, that offensive line gels the way Iowa lines used to gel by the time October rolled around, Iowa will win 10 or 11 games.

Seriously, breh, no need to be salty. Wisconsin does the same thing as Iowa and it makes their defense look a lot better, but the difference is Wisconsin has had a decided advantage with offensive line play and RB skill over Iowa for the past 10 years. So yeah, their offense has better numbers but that is because they are saltier up front and their RB is better. Go listen to Wisconsin fans complain. It sounds exactly the same as Hawk fans except they are so much better up front that they don't lose to shittier teams 2 or 3x per year, but they are plagued the same way by inferior athletes who ain't gonna routinely stop or outperform the big boys on the other side of the conference.
 
Fryowa said:
I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's a stat that's irrelevant at best and deceiving at worst. Ohio State, Alabama, Michigan, and Wisconsin (among other way better teams) have averaged less plays per game than Iowa over the last 7 years. I didn't go farther back than that but I can if you want. There are various reasons for that, but plays per game is a bullshit stat that's not tied to or even correlated at all to total offense or wins. You'll need to come up with something different to go down that avenue.
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hmm, so you're saying that the number of offensive plays a team runs has no correlation to the amount of total offense a team gets, really? Cherry picking the likes of Ohio State, Bama, Michigan, etc to try to make a point is crazy. I'd guess the metric you are really looking for is yards per play, a quick glance shows Iowa averages around 4-5 yards per play, ranked in the bottom quartile of Division I programs. With a run heavy offense, I'll take 4-5 yards per play.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-play?date=2016-01-11
 
tksirius said:
Iowa is 104th in yards per play. Iowa was 103rd last year. Take your idiocy somewhere else, please.
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Serious question since I'm not on here all that often: Are you a douche only on internet boards or in real life too? Just curious, thanks in advance for your classy response.
 
hawkinarkansas said:
hmm, so you're saying that the number of offensive plays a team runs has no correlation to the amount of total offense a team gets, really? Cherry picking the likes of Ohio State, Bama, Michigan, etc to try to make a point is crazy. I'd guess the metric you are really looking for is yards per play, a quick glance shows Iowa averages around 4-5 yards per play, ranked in the bottom quartile of Division I programs. With a run heavy offense, I'll take 4-5 yards per play.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-play?date=2016-01-11
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The reason I listed the teams I did is because they’re supremely more successful than the Hawkeyes but run fewer plays. No doubt this is probably because they score more points per play and their defenses are possibly better, but it does show that your stat is useless when trying to predict wins/losses. There’s no good connection there.
 
tksirius said:
I'm not an idiot that correlates a good defense to a shitty offense. Are you an idiot only on the internet or in real life too?
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dude, I didn't attempt to make the connection between good defense creating poor offense. all I was curious about is whether your doucheness extends to your day to day life. no biggy, douche on dude.
 
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