Unknownbadger
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Sorry, I upset you so. BTW, our D will be just fine against your run game. It's a hot Stanley against our inexperienced CBs I'm worried about.
Iowa Could Dominate
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HawkGold
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I forgot about N. IL though if I remember right was driving toward go ahead points when the interception happened and things collapsed, so except in score I don't consider it domination.
HawkGold
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One of those games we can disagree. When Iowa loosened up in the 2nd half, they seemed in control until the last drive. I thought the play calling was the limiting factor.
Personally I thought this was one of Iowa's best teams ever minus a couple of ingredients. First being an experienced OC. 2nd Being a WR. 3rd being a QB with and edge in the likes of Banks, Stanzi, Tate, and CJ in 2015.
A friend from Ohio was depressed after the OSU game. We discussed it. Bottom line was that OSU was somewhat over rated and Iowa when the O was opened up was better than their record indicated. Could you imagine having to play Iowa at Kinnick with a more aggressive offense and that D?
We will use every means necessary.
The only reason last year was so easy for you, is you stacked the box, as our rushing yards showed.
Try that again this year and Nate and company will have a hayday.
I mean look, a couple new tackles, a new qb, bunch of fr wr's. Facing a pretty stout D??? I would have played it that way as well.
Unknownbadger
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Heck, 4thngoal, we often only had 2 DLs on the field, playing essentially a 2-4-5. Our standard D is a 3-4-4. We didn't play you any different than how we played anybody else. Remember! You had just tore up Tosu on big plays by Stanley and his receivers. If ever Wisconsin was going to go into a game playing off (loose) it would have been that game.
I just think we confused your OL and perhaps Stanley at times. You would expect both to do better next time.
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AreWeThereYet
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I have an idea Iowa's offensive line will be much more prepared than last year. I don't know how effective that preparation will be, but they have much more of an opportunity to prepare for Wisconsin's defensive schemes than last year. Last year there was a new offensive coordinator, a new offensive line coach brought in from outside, and a new wide receiver coach, among other coaching changes. Iowa was down both starting offensive tackles because of injury and was playing a red shirt freshman and true freshman. James Daniels at center was never 100%.
Wisconsin's defensive schemes are somewhat unique in the Big Ten. It wouldn't surprise me if Iowa didn't spend a lot of time other than game week specifically preparing for Wisconsin. If you have coaching changes, injuries on the line, and a new quarterback, there is going to be an emphasis on basics and more common issues.
I will say this, if they want to win it all, they are going to have to dominant Wisconsin and PSU as well as all the others. Our schedule is not that hard and remembering that beat down in the rose still gives me flash backs. We are just going to have to play for it all every week or I'm a little gun shy about what could happen post season.
Look at 1:55 and 2:48 and tell me that box wasn't stacked.
Look at 1:55 and 2:48 and tell me that box wasn't stacked.
Unknownbadger
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I did, 4thngoal. In the first, it was 2nd and 6. and the DB s played on the 3 wides at the LOS, thus as you say "in the box". They were NOT protecting against the run. In the second, it was 3rd and long late in the game with a jailhouse blitz. The Hawkeyes were severely behind at the time. These two plays are not what I'd pick to validate my claim that we had "loaded the box" and it would probably take more. We DID challenge Stanley and his receivers.
I'm not saying Wisconsin doesn't stack the box occasionally. It does, just as most do when it's appropriate to do so. I'm saying that Wisconsin's D didn't do anything it hadn't done throughout the year. In the 14 games it played in 2017, 8 times it held the opponent under 100 yards rushing. 3 times no more than 40, Iowa wasn't the only victim of being snuffed at the LOS.
4 talented LBs fill gaps, rush passers, and can drop into coverage quickly. We had those last year and have them in 2018. Our 3 DL were very good at holding the LOS (not sure they will be as good in 2018). Pressure, confusion, 2 decent DBs (don't know how decent our CB's will be), and as has been said youthfulness I think hurt the Iowa O in that game last season.
New season though coming with a lot of variables changing for both teams
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Fryowa
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Unknownbadger
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Thanks, Fryowa. I don't understand why some fans show their a$$ when opposing fans are being cordial and considerate. Iowa is my 2nd favorite B1G team. I've followed them for years and at one time wished our program could be as successful as yours. I still wish Iowa's success because I THINK WE, Wisconsin and the B1G NEED IT if we continue to play in the divisions we do.
Hawkeyes5 obviously feels differently.
ArvadaHawk
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you've been here for awhile. don't recall any flaming. but the real question is: what needs to happen for iowa to become your first favorite B1G team? just curious.
Unknownbadger
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Well, that's a fat chance Arvada. I grew up in Madison and my brother coached at Wisconsin through FIVE UW HCs. Most of them took their beatings at the hands of the Hawkeyes. In some respect, it's kinda nice getting even.you've been here for awhile. don't recall any flaming. but the real question is: what needs to happen for iowa to become your first favorite B1G team? just curious.
Northside Hawk
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Some teams could demand a different arrangement. I got an idea. Let's try Legends and Leaders! Oh, that's already been done.
Maybe they could try Capulets and Montagues. Oh shit, that's been done, too. Damn that Shakespeare!
I don't think it was a matter of Wisconsin stacking the box, it was a matter of them physically beating Iowa up on the LOS like they have most of the last 10 years.
Plus, history shows when teams do stack the box against Iowa, they keep running the ball right into it. They do not start throwing more to try to counter it. If you're thinking you're going to see that, I'd advise you to pack a big lunch because you'll be waiting awhile.
Northside Hawk
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Someone needs to bring back that video that someone produced in Madison. It was a spoof on animal nature type shows featuring The Huck-EYE and the Ba-jur.
Funniest post ever. EVER!
Funniest post ever. EVER!
Unknownbadger
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My biggest disappointment is the cross over schedules. One year soft, one year almost impossible. Wisconsin has been on both of those ends and NEITHER is good. I suppose if you are mediocre, you don't care much, but for good teams they want to challenge themselves. Pretty much goes for its fanbase as well.
Wisconsin has played 3 of the top 4 in the East in a season. Thankfully we won one of those. We've also been privy to playing none of them. Not only does that hurt in respect, at year's end, recruiting, but at the gates. If you want an undefeated season just wait till you get to play Indiana, Maryland, and Rutgers in the same year.
Unknownbadger
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Funny that you say that, Xerxes. It made me think. Chryst, no matter how good our running game is, is a master at calling plays to get over the LOS. Perhaps its because he has relied on the run game to be the focus of the O but knows not every 1st and 2nd down is going to gain you 10 yards. I suppose knowing your personnel, what they can do, challenging them, and putting them in the right situations helps.
I think one more thing that helps Chryst is finding kids with the desire to succeed not only for themselves but for their teammates. Picking guys out of HS, whether it's a walk-on or a 4/5 star with that desire will make a very good coach great on 3rd and long (on both sides of the ball).
You challenged Stanley and the receivers because as I said they were all green. Yeah you might have respected the passing game, but not near as much as the run game. Like I said that's how I would have played it too. Letting Wadley gash you was a much bigger concern. Other than him and Fant???
Throw in two new tackles, a new ol coach a new qb new wr's and admit it or not but smart money is on shut down the run and try to get to the qb.
I'm not saying Wisconsin hasn't been beating us in the trenches for awhile, credit due as it's deserved. I just don't think it's going to be so easy this year.
Unknownbadger
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All of that doesn't mean "stacking the box", though, 4th. Most B1G teams' Ds want to stop the run first until the opponent can show it can beat them through the air. Wisconsin found ways to beat Stanley, his receivers, and Iowa's pass game just as well as it stuffed the run game. It didn't take a stacked box to do both.
It was a very, very bad game by a good Iowa team. It happens, seemingly (IMO) with some frequency by Iowa. Wisconsin has had that habit in the past.
