Iowa Basketball Recruits

#1DieHardHawk said:
Bird primarily played the 3, and occasionally the 4 if they decided to go small. That said, his skill set definitely was 1-4.

You can't simply move a player offensively to dictate a match-up by saying he's going to play a different position. It doesn't work that way. The best you can do is rely on switches, but the defense ultimately will dictate the matchup on a given play. Bird played a lot on the perimeter, but he almost never played the 2-spot officially, and I don't recall ever seeing him officially playing the point despite watching a ton of Celtic games in the 80s.

As good as he was, there was no way he could have matched up defensively with the off-guards of the day, such as Jordan. Danny Ainge generally manned the 2, and was backed up by Rick Carlisle, Jerry Sichting, Jim Paxson and Reggie Lewis (depending upon the season).
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I think you misunderstood. He played every position in the game of basketball all from his official 3 guard spot. He would bring the ball down and start the offense. He would post up. Bird moved inside out with a high level of intelligence with the intention of putting his matchup's particular weakness under a microscope. Bird was an everything player and therefore I list him as a SG when presenting a list of greatest white SG's. Of course he was more than a SG.
 
Adam said:
I think you misunderstood. He played every position in the game of basketball all from his official 3 guard spot. He would bring the ball down and start the offense. He would post up. Bird moved inside out with a high level of intelligence with the intention of putting his matchup's particular weakness under a microscope. Bird was an everything player and therefore I list him as a SG when presenting a list of greatest white SG's. Of course he was more than a SG.
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I didn't misunderstand. You stated that Bird "definitely played his share of minutes at the 2 spot..." I was just pointing out that he didn't play at the 2 spot. There was almost always another player on the floor with him that technically was the 2.

Another way to put it, is Magic was capable of playing down low, and has some tremendous games doing so, but you wouldn't list him as one of the all-time great centers. For the purpose of ranking players, it simply makes sense to rank them within the position they technically played.

Not trying to debate at all. It just struck me odd that he was put on a list of great off-guards.
 
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#1DieHardHawk said:
I didn't misunderstand. You stated that Bird played "definitely played his share of minutes at the 2 spot..." I was just pointing out that he didn't play at the 2 spot. There was almost always another player on the floor with him that technically was the 2.

Another way to put it, is Magic was capable of playing down low, and has some tremendous games doing so, but you wouldn't list him as one of the all-time great centers. For the purpose of ranking players, it simply makes sense to rank them within the position they technically played.
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Fair enough. That said I still consider Bird to be one of the all time great shooting guards just as I do for LeBron. In my opinion those players transcended any particular position. So I just base it off of what they did vs what position they were listed on a roster. All the same I would play Bird at the 2 spot if I had another great SF on the roster. There are players that you just can't say that about. So in my mind Bird counts as a 2 or a 3. Hence, correct or incorrect I will always think of him as a SG as well.
 

Hope he likes what he sees. Lord knows this board will surely berate the kid and say he is some out of position slow kid that has no business playing D1 ball.
 
PCHawk said:
What's funny? The 3 highest rated recruits in a long time all on the same team with a 4 star freshmen point guard, and a 4 star junior center? This for sure isn't a good team? What the hell are you even talking about?
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I assure you Pat McCaffery is not top 100 let alone top 30. He's the most overrated recruit in the country. Carton hasn't committed anywhere and it sounds like he's probably headed to Wisky before Iowa. Also, you spelled Wieskamp's name incorrectly. ;)
Add to all that, you actually think Nunge and Garza are studs. That's funny!

Have you watched any of the games this year?
 
tksirius said:
I assure you Pat McCaffery is not top 100 let alone top 30. He's the most overrated recruit in the country. Carton hasn't committed anywhere and it sounds like he's probably headed to Wisky before Iowa. Also, you spelled Wieskamp's name incorrectly. ;)
Add to all that, you actually think Nunge and Garza are studs. That's funny!

Have you watched any of the games this year?
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I watched enough of those 2 to not be able to say they will for sure suck in two years. Obviously you're already convinced after 17 games. And my original question was asking if those 3 will be enough to help turn us around. That means if they commit. You can't say no, then say it's because one won't commit. Well you can, it would just be dumb.
 
PCHawk said:
I watched enough of those 2 to not be able to say they will for sure suck in two years. Obviously you're already convinced after 17 games. And my original question was asking if those 3 will be enough to help turn us around. That means if they commit. You can't say no, then say it's because one won't commit. Well you can, it would just be dumb.
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Now, you're just being foolish.
 
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