Infield Fly was the right call.

Sparky said:
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and go with common sense, the rule book, and Holliday who said it wasn't a blown call.
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By definition of the rule book, an infield fly could be called on a ball on the warning track. I'm going to go with common sense and say that ball was way too far into the outfield and clearly had a much higher probability of no play being made than a ball actually in the infield. Bad call.
 
Sparky said:
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and go with common sense, the rule book, and Holliday who's team benefited from the blown call.
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Fixed it for you..

Common sense? the farthest infield fly rule called this year was almost 50 closer to the plate than this ball.

Maybe if the ump thought he was at 3rd base.. The guy took forever to make the call, the SS turned his back to the field to run out an make the catch, and the left fielder was in position to make the play.
I think the first time I have ever seen an infield fly where the outfielder was in a better position to make the catch..

Well at least Cardinal fans probably feel that things are even for the blown call against KC all those years ago.
 
so in essence it should be called "infielder fly rule", not an infield fly rule. Because it's defined by who is catching it, not where it is. The ball is clearly beyond the infield.
 
TecmoSuperHawk said:
The furthest an infield fly was called during the entire regular season was on a ball 178 feet from home plate. This was estimated at 225 feet from home plate. As they are discussing on MLB Network, the Cardinals shortstop is not camped under the ball, he misjudged it. He was down the wrong stripe of grass from where the ball actually fell. Certainly not ordinary effort. Bad call. Very bad call actually.
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Truth.
 
Terrible call. That was NOT ordinary effort, as it was deep enough to be a caught by the left fielder. Plus the infield fly rule is only in place to keep the defender from dropping the ball on purpose, to create a double play. No way in the world could he have dropped that on purpose from that location, and turned a double play.

The Braves didn't deserve to win that game, but that was a bad, bad, bad call.
 
TecmoSuperHawk said:
The furthest an infield fly was called during the entire regular season was on a ball 178 feet from home plate. This was estimated at 225 feet from home plate. As they are discussing on MLB Network, the Cardinals shortstop is not camped under the ball, he misjudged it. He was down the wrong stripe of grass from where the ball actually fell. Certainly not ordinary effort. Bad call. Very bad call actually.
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misjudged it? No. That is just flat wrong.
 
deanvogs said:
Terrible call. That was NOT ordinary effort, as it was deep enough to be a caught by the left fielder. Plus the infield fly rule is only in place to keep the defender from dropping the ball on purpose, to create a double play. No way in the world could he have dropped that on purpose from that location, and turned a double play.

The Braves didn't deserve to win that game, but that was a bad, bad, bad call.
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The funny thing is the guy on ESPN, Jim McKeon, said it was the right call because a double play could have been made. LOL. Right because they couldn't even get a single force out yet it was possible to turn a double play.
 
TecmoSuperHawk said:
The funny thing is the guy on ESPN, Jim McKeon, said it was the right call because a double play could have been made. LOL. Right because they couldn't even get a single force out yet it was possible to turn a double play.
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LOL at that. The SS could have been camped under it, and the guy on 2nd could still be 10-15 ft off the base and not get doubled up if he caught it, and could have made it to third (like he did) if he dropped it. The guy on 1st could have been halfway between 1st and 2nd and never have been double up.

The dumbest thing about it, is that was the LF play anyway...
 
You are looking at it like they couldn't have made a DP there?!?!? How stupid are you? He wasn't trying to. If he WAS, he would have let it drop in front of him. The runner would have been going back to second. Not probable that they turn two, but they def get an out. Idiots.
 
Hawkeye11en1 said:
You are looking at it like they couldn't have made a DP there?!?!? How stupid are you? He wasn't trying to. If he WAS, he would have let it drop in front of him. The runner would have been going back to second. Not probable that they turn two, but they def get an out. Idiots.
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Have you ever played Baseball? Look at the 1:40 mark of the video. The runner is correctly 15-20 ft. off of 2nd base waiting to see what happens with the play. If the SS drops that ball on purpose in front of him even, he might get the runner at 3rd base. The runner on 1st you can't see, but he should be halfway between 1st and 2nd base. If that SS drops the ball on purpose, he can't even make the throw to 2nd to force him out there, let alone drop the ball on purpose, throw to 3rd for the force, and throw to 2nd to get the DP.
 
Hawkeye11en1 said:
You are looking at it like they couldn't have made a DP there?!?!? How stupid are you? He wasn't trying to. If he WAS, he would have let it drop in front of him. The runner would have been going back to second. Not probable that they turn two, but they def get an out. Idiots.
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Infield fly rule is in place to prevent a purposeful drop to get a double play instead of a single out. They don't call infield fly rule with only a runner on 1st, as they could care less if he drops it on purpose, forces the guy at 2nd, but the batter is now at 1st.

Please at least know the rules, and why they are in place before making an argument
 
Derpity Derp. You are wrong. The umpire made the correct call. The infielder had an ordinary play on the ball so he made the call. At least know the rules before you spout off.
 
Hawkeye11en1 said:
Derpity Derp. You are wrong. The umpire made the correct call. The infielder had an ordinary play on the ball so he made the call. At least know the rules before you spout off.
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I do know the rules, and the ump was wrong on this one. Was the SS making an "ordinary play" on that fly ball? Didn't look like it to me, it looked like he was making that play very UNORDINARY by taking an awkward angle at the ball.

Once again go back to why the rule is even in place. It is to protect the runners. In this case the runners didn't need protecting. The runners are NOT at a disadvantage even if the ball is dropped.

It was a judgement call, it wasn't a call based strictly on the rules. I think the ump make a bad, bad, bad, judgement call.
 
In fact, he had time to get under it, call it, and then move far enough away that the left fielder picked it up. Seems pretty ordinary to me.
 
Hawkeye11en1 said:
He was camped and making the call for the ball until he moved. Not sure how that isn't ordinary.
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An infield fly is supposed to be called immediately. Apparently this Ump didn't even know the play was going to be made until a split second before the catch....The sheer fact that he waited that long, tells me that the ump didn't think this was an "ordinary" play until a split second before the ball hit the ground. His first instinct was to let the fly ball play out, and at the very last second called infield fly rule. Terrible call.

Almost every infield fly call is made as soon as the ball is hit. I can't think of any infield fly call being made this late in the play, ever.



An INFIELD FLY is a fair fly ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort, when first and second, or first, second and third bases are occupied, before two are out. The pitcher, catcher and any outfielder who stations himself in the infield on the play shall be considered infielders for the purpose of this rule.
When it seems apparent that a batted ball will be an Infield Fly, the umpire shall immediately declare “Infield Flyâ€￾ for the benefit of the runners. If the ball is near the baselines, the umpire shall declare “Infield Fly, if Fair.â€￾
The ball is alive and runners may advance at the risk of the ball being caught, or retouch and advance after the ball is touched, the same as on any fly ball. If the hit becomes a foul ball, it is treated the same as any foul.
If a declared Infield Fly is allowed to fall untouched to the ground, and bounces foul before passing first or third base, it is a foul ball. If a declared Infield Fly falls untouched to the ground outside the baseline, and bounces fair before passing first or third base, it is an Infield Fly.
Rule 2.00 (Infield Fly) Comment: On the infield fly rule the umpire is to rule whether the ball could ordinarily have been handled by an infielder—not by some arbitrary limitation such as the grass, or the base lines. The umpire must rule also that a ball is an infield fly, even if handled by an outfielder, if, in the umpire’s judgment, the ball could have been as easily handled by an infielder. The infield fly is in no sense to be considered an appeal play. The umpire’s judgment must govern, and the decision should be made immediately.
When an infield fly rule is called, runners may advance at their own risk. If on an infield fly rule, the infielder intentionally drops a fair ball, the ball remains in play despite the provisions of Rule 6.05 (L). The infield fly rule takes precedence.
 
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