If, on the 1% chance Iowa can somehow beat OSU in the Shoe,

[InGoodCo]

Kirk has a lot of ties to the NFL, he could have a job lined up for Brian as a position coach in the NFL by EOD.

 

[Fryowa]

I feel confident in a couple of things. KF hiring a better OC and allowing/setting them up for success isn't one of them. If it's Kirk making the hire, I am confident the next OC will be worse for Iowa football. What OC worth a shit that isn't in the swan song of their career wants to come to Iowa? Not one that wants to go anywhere worth while. Once you've coached OC under Kirk, you're almost unhireable at that position again. Plus, there's a time factor here too. How long will it take to install? What kind of learning curve? Do we recruit differently? What does that do with a program this far into it's tenure? Will Kirk be all in? I have my doubts there to say the least. I am not confident about much, but 23 years in as an observer, I feel good about my opinion here.

Iowa is where the OC gets all the blame regardless of who it is, you have a head coach that neuters what you can and can't do and it's a pretty hopeless spot on the staff. Who has been the scapegoat at Iowa every year that Kirk's been here? The OC - doesn't matter if he's the HC's kid or not. IMO, things getting better for Brian is the quickest way back to winning 75% of our games as soon as humanly possible. That's what I want as a fan, to win

If Brian leaves and Kirk is in charge there is a good chance Woods gets hired. Feel free to call BS, but there’s momentum behind that at a few different levels. Whether it happens or not depends on Brian and what goes on the 2nd half.

 

[InGoodCo]

If Brian leaves and Kirk is in charge there is a good chance Woods gets hired. Feel free to call BS, but there’s momentum behind that at a few different levels. Whether it happens or not depends on Brian and what goes on the 2nd half.

If Woods wants to never get a shot at coaching OC again, Iowa is just the place for him. Woods is the heel within 2 seasons of taking that job, as is anyone who takes it....again, because we all know who the actual OC of Iowa football is.

I would imagine Woods is smart enough to recognize that as well. His name is getting thrown around for a lot of different things, that would end pretty quickly if he took over Iowa's offense.

 

[InGoodCo]

Also, think about it like this....

Woods took his first position coach job at Iowa in 2012 - it was for Linebackers. Iowa was already great at finding and developing Linebackers. It's a position that was already well established, you could stick almost anyone with coaching experience in and they would be successful.

Woods was then moved to Tight End. Guys, I don't need to tell you how good Iowa has been at Tight End.

Then he moved to Special Teams.... which, is also, a place that Iowa has historically been really good at during Kirk's time.

People would be calling for Woods head in less than 2 seasons if he was Kirk's OC. Might not take that long because here's a spoiler, it's going to look a lot like it does right now.

 

[SCHawkeye2]

I have been a Hawkeye fan for longer than many of you on this board have been alive.
And I believe this game has brought out the most trepidation and outright resignation of a pending loss that I have seen from Iowa fans since the Commings or Lauterbur days.

 

[ssckelley]

No I don't believe one game will actually change anything. But we all know that wins in this program solidify the mentality that there is nothing wrong. We also know that KF's gone on record reminding everyone that he won 10 games last year despite our offense. So to answer your question, no, one game won't matter, but losing and losses piling up does. I believe that KF only sees wins and losses and prides himself on winning seasons, which any coach would/should. So your absolutely right, but at the same time, don't you think that somehow pulling off the upset with our offense isn't going to solidify Brian's position even more at OC?

I don't know, but I'd be friggin overjoyed enough that I might forget about BF. I mean if BF could actually fix this offense to have success the rest of the season would be a good thing, right?

 

[HawkGold]

I don't know, but I'd be friggin overjoyed enough that I might forget about BF. I mean if BF could actually fix this offense to have success the rest of the season would be a good thing, right?

Remember OSU and Wisconsin back to back in 2017. 66 yards. Think about how awful 66 yards actually is. Think about how bad 166 yards is. Think about how bad a 253 yard average is against ISU, Nevada, SDSU, Rutgers built into that schedule. Michigan called off the dogs late.

To be fair, think about how good the Iowa D is at giving up 293 ypg.

 

[ssckelley]

No. If Iowa goes 4-8 this year which is pretty likely, then I think BF starts to at least look at options for a job somewhere else that wouldn’t hurt his and Kurt’s pride (like being demoted or asked to leave would).

If Iowa goes 5-7 with a win over OSU and all the uproar that goes with it, Brian gets a big head and decides maybe he deserves the spot he’s been given.

That’s a huge fucking problem.

The program is bigger than one season, or one given team or class of players. Anything that leads to BF sticking around longer—however small—is bad for this program going forward.

Brian is literally the Colton Rastetter of OCs but there’s no graduation in sight to stop the bleeding. This is more bonkers than any Twilight Zone episode.

Beating OSU isn't going to happen but it even if it did that doesn't necessarily change anything with BF unless he found some magic sauce and somehow fixed the offense. By some miracle Iowa beats OSU and still finishes 5-7 I think the vultures are still circling. You can't win at OSU and then turn around and go 1-4 the rest of the way against NW, Purdue, Wisc, Minn, and Nebraska. We would all still be pissed!

 

[ssckelley]

Remember OSU and Wisconsin back to back in 2017. 66 yards. Think about how awful 66 yards actually is. Think about how bad 166 yards is.

I know but they went into Camp Randall after that big OSU win, I thought Wisconsin was good enough to beat Ohio State and go on to the NC game.

This year after the OSU game there is nothing but West division opponents left. I mean it's possible they go back into their shell on offense but then that OSU game will be in distant memory. After beating OSU they turn around and lose against NW, man I'll be pissed!

 

[kicker22]

I feel confident in a couple of things. KF hiring a better OC and allowing/setting them up for success isn't one of them. If it's Kirk making the hire, I am confident the next OC will be worse for Iowa football. What OC worth a shit that isn't in the swan song of their career wants to come to Iowa? Not one that wants to go anywhere worth while. Once you've coached OC under Kirk, you're almost unhireable at that position again. Plus, there's a time factor here too. How long will it take to install? What kind of learning curve? Do we recruit differently? What does that do with a program this far into it's tenure? Will Kirk be all in? I have my doubts there to say the least. I am not confident about much, but 23 years in as an observer, I feel good about my opinion here.

Iowa is where the OC gets all the blame regardless of who it is, you have a head coach that neuters what you can and can't do and it's a pretty hopeless spot on the staff. Who has been the scapegoat at Iowa every year that Kirk's been here? The OC - doesn't matter if he's the HC's kid or not. IMO, things getting better for Brian is the quickest way back to winning 75% of our games as soon as humanly possible. That's what I want as a fan, to win

Our opinions are very similar except you see things getting better for Brain being the quickest way back to winning 75%. I'm not sure he has that in him. I think BF staying at OC is a quicker trip to implosion then righting the ship because of all the negative attention it brings with it. I guess my argument is while new guy may not be better I'm not sure he could be worse and I'm sure as hell he'd have better if not similar credentials. I'm just not sure how we could go worse.

 

[Fryowa]

If Woods wants to never get a shot at coaching OC again, Iowa is just the place for him. Woods is the heel within 2 seasons of taking that job, as is anyone who takes it....again, because we all know who the actual OC of Iowa football is.

I would imagine Woods is smart enough to recognize that as well. His name is getting thrown around for a lot of different things, that would end pretty quickly if he took over Iowa's offense.

I could tell you I know for a fact that Woods doesn’t want to leave Iowa City and has turned down better P5 offers than special teams coordinator to stay in IC, but you wouldn’t believe me anyway.

 

[kicker22]

I don't know, but I'd be friggin overjoyed enough that I might forget about BF. I mean if BF could actually fix this offense to have success the rest of the season would be a good thing, right?

Good thing from a program perspective or good thing getting our offense out of the absolute bottom of the cellar. Unfortunately in the long run I don't think they're on opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

[HawkGold]

I know but they went into Camp Randall after that big OSU win, I thought Wisconsin was good enough to beat Ohio State and go on to the NC game.

This year after the OSU game there is nothing but West division opponents left. I mean it's possible they go back into their shell on offense but then that OSU game will be in distant memory. After beating OSU they turn around and lose against NW, man I'll be pissed!

11 Warriors has some pretty interesting comments right now. They actually have some good posters. In general they think west teams are designed to win the west and get smoked in the championship with poor offense. I'm surprised how balanced they are about 2017. Basically they believe USC/UCLA and the demise of the division will lead to the end of KF the dinosaur.

 

[ssckelley]

11 Warriors has some pretty interesting comments right now. They actually have some good posters. In general they think west teams are designed to win the west and get smoked in the championship with poor offense. I'm surprised how balanced they are about 2017. Basically they believe USC/UCLA and the demise of the division will lead to the end of KF the dinosaur.

Adding USC and UCLA I think emphasizes the need for divisions but I don't think we have seen the finished product yet, I think the Big Ten will add Oregon and Washington before it's all said and done.

I did venture over to their board and they are fairly level headed about this being a "revenge game". Most feel slaughtering Iowa is about the same as beating a MAC school, and that's a fair assessment.

 

[thedukeofearl]

What I’m really hoping for if we lose is this…

13-0 Ohio State with 3 or 4 punts by Taylor inside the OSU 10 yd line.

In that scenario Phil Parker gets accolades from local and national media for holding an offensive juggernaut to 13 points and Brian gets even more pressure applied for not being able to take advantage of Phil’s defensive masterpiece and give the Hawks the first win in Columbus since Christ was a cowboy.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

Fine, but if Iowa were to somehow turn this shit around (i wouldn't bet on it), it will likely be because the offense has performed better which would then lend a longer leash. That's what makes the world go around. Perform, you're good, don't, well now we need to look at another route. Produce, it's a bottom line business. We won't fire Brian regardless but I'm sure the old man can find a soft landing place for him as a position coach in the NFL. Personally, I would prefer success for the team I follow and I don't think I could "wish" or hope we don't win a game because I really want rid of 1 person, a person that's being castrated by his boss. If Kirk were to hire a new OC, that next OC will be worst, bank on it.

Sure seems to be that way....each OC has been worse than the last one.

 

[NorthKCHawk]

Here is an elegant solution. Move Woods to OC and hire a bona fide QB coach as well. Not saying Drew Tate, but also I am not not saying Drew Tate. Slide BF over to Special Teams Coordinator and Co-OL coach. Call it a reshuffling of the board. I think Brian has the right temperament for special teams work and he could boost the OL play with more focus on that group. Woods can only be an upgrade and with a good QB coach, we can improve the coaching in every room.

Just saying, that would be easier for KF to swallow then firing his son, and I think most on this board would give a YeeHaw to those moves.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Here is an elegant solution. Move Woods to OC and hire a bona fide QB coach as well. Not saying Drew Tate, but also I am not not saying Drew Tate. Slide BF over to Special Teams Coordinator and Co-OL coach. Call it a reshuffling of the board. I think Brian has the right temperament for special teams work and he could boost the OL play with more focus on that group. Woods can only be an upgrade and with a good QB coach, we can improve the coaching in every room.

Just saying, that would be easier for KF to swallow then firing his son, and I think most on this board would give a YeeHaw to those moves.

..........and what makes you and others think Woods is this natural OC that is ready for that coordinator position? I mean people get on BF because they feel he's a fish out of water and question him coaching the QB's. Lavar played linebacker at Iowa and has no experience orchestrating or coordinating an offense.

I realize he's valuable to the program and an excellent ST coach, but, that doesn't automatically bridge to being a top not OC.

 

[Fryowa]

Here is an elegant solution. Move Woods to OC and hire a bona fide QB coach as well. Not saying Drew Tate, but also I am not not saying Drew Tate. Slide BF over to Special Teams Coordinator and Co-OL coach. Call it a reshuffling of the board. I think Brian has the right temperament for special teams work and he could boost the OL play with more focus on that group. Woods can only be an upgrade and with a good QB coach, we can improve the coaching in every room.

Just saying, that would be easier for KF to swallow then firing his son, and I think most on this board would give a YeeHaw to those moves.

That would be a demotion for his kid which ain’t gonna happen. Here’s the hierarchy of a football staff

—HC

—OC & DC

—Everyone else.

BF is not going to move downwards at Iowa, ever. And there are no lateral moves for him. He either stays in the same spot, becomes HC, or leaves on his own.

 

[InGoodCo]

I could tell you I know for a fact that Woods doesn’t want to leave Iowa City and has turned down better P5 offers than special teams coordinator to stay in IC, but you wouldn’t believe me anyway.

I'd believe you... i just think becoming the OC at Iowa is career suicide at the current. I don't think anyone on our staff that has any aspirations of working past a few seasons in college football would touch it. Hopefully we have smart enough coaches that know that no matter who is in that role, they are the heal of this program.