I Like Tim Tebow

VintageHawkeye said:
So in your expert opinion, there is NO WAY Kyle Orton could or would have won the four games vs cupcakes that tebow "won"?
Get a grip on yourself...the christian mancrush is disgusting.
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You're losin' it Vin. Organizations don't make decisions based on anything but who will give them the best chance to win and you know it. You just flame on anything Jesus related.
 
FCAS said:
Nothing. I believe the people responsible for picking him have been fired?


Maybe because he is being paid a boatload of money as a 1st round draft choice. This happens quite often in the NFL. See Jamarcus Russell for example. The Broncos have invested a lot of money in Tebow and they want to see what they've got.

In the near future, Elway and Co are going to have to make a call on Tebow. Should they stick with him with the hope that his passing skills will improve, or should they cut him loose and take the financial hit. In my opinion, in their evaluation process, Tebow's race and expression of faith will have NO IMPACT on their decision.
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I bet his race and expression of faith do have an impact. Sorry but a white QB who wins with heart, expresses his faith and is a great role model will sell more tickets, sell more Jerseys, garner more publicity.

Not trying to bring race into this but a 9-7 or 10-6 Broncos record with Tim Tebow vs a black quarterback or just another average white quarterback is night and day difference in terms of $$$ in Denvers pockets.

So you're wrong. Race and Expression of Faith will have an impact on their decision to keep Tebow or not.
 
briankaldenberg said:
I bet his race and expression of faith do have an impact. Sorry but a white QB who wins with heart, expresses his faith and is a great role model will sell more tickets, sell more Jerseys, garner more publicity.

Not trying to bring race into this but a 9-7 or 10-6 Broncos record with Tim Tebow vs a black quarterback or just another average white quarterback is night and day difference in terms of $$$ in Denvers pockets.

So you're wrong. Race and Expression of Faith will have an impact on their decision to keep Tebow or not.
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Tell an NFL owner that the black QB and the white QB will produce exactly the same win/loss record over 10 years, neither will get into any trouble or get themselves into any controversy, I bet anything the NFL takes the white QB because they're more marketable.
 
briankaldenberg said:
Tell an NFL owner that the black QB and the white QB will produce exactly the same win/loss record over 10 years, neither will get into any trouble or get themselves into any controversy, I bet anything the NFL takes the white QB because they're more marketable.
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Are you talking to yourself now?
 
briankaldenberg said:
I bet his race and expression of faith do have an impact. Sorry but a white QB who wins with heart, expresses his faith and is a great role model will sell more tickets, sell more Jerseys, garner more publicity.

Not trying to bring race into this but a 9-7 or 10-6 Broncos record with Tim Tebow vs a black quarterback or just another average white quarterback is night and day difference in terms of $$$ in Denvers pockets.
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BS.

Matt Ryan meets your white man, great role model criteria. And he will never come close to selling more jerseys in Atlanta than Michael Vick did (and still does).
 
FCAS said:
BS.

Matt Ryan meets your white man, great role model criteria. And he will never come close to selling more jerseys in Atlanta than Michael Vick did (and still does).
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You're leaving out the third crucial part.... two QB's who are equal talent and/or win loss.

I guess your argument works if you think Matt Ryan is as good as Michael Vick was in his prime. I don't think you'll have many buyers.
 
I thought I would revisit this thread just to post for the sake of repeating myself and posting nonsense, but I see i am late and this has already been done. Incessantly. If I could quote on my phone id like to directly refute some apparently unknown biases, but since I cant, let me just throw out there, again, that religion in general, has absolutely nothing to do with Tebow getting the nod. Draft selection might, work effort might, ability to handle self under enormous pressure media and on field might, but not religion.

the management and coaches were unsure of even playing him after Detroit, but then you know what? They realized that if you give a guy a full toolbox he might be able to build a car. now after accomplishing something his predecessor couldn't do, winning 3 games in a row (doesn't matter to who, two division rivals and the 5-4 jets), the guy and mgmt still wish to try and improve so that maybe they can now build an all-terrain vehicle. after that, maybe a racecar. But it all cannot be done in the same month. These things take time, and after awhile the parts may not fit right, so you switch things around a bit, AGAIN. BUT, maybe they do work for awhile and you do put together some wins on top of other wins, so you go with it because that engine seems to make all the other parts run better. Time will tell, and he will have other losses as well as more wins. You could not say that about the Broncos at any point in the last several years, because each week was a "how bad will it be this week-ala iowa in the 70's-feeling".

I am told, TT is so much better in the locker room than Cutler ever was (cant speak for Chicago, but he apparently didn't fare that well there at the beginning either). The players around Tebow are believers in Tebow, (maybe, but more than likely not), in spite of Tebows religious beliefs. With each additional win it is only getting
more embedded.

bottom line, tebow is not getting his PT because of his religious beliefs.
 
briankaldenberg said:
You're leaving out the third crucial part.... two QB's who are equal talent and/or win loss.

I guess your argument works if you think Matt Ryan is as good as Michael Vick was in his prime. I don't think you'll have many buyers.
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The Ryan vs Vick thing is at least debateable. Vick has greater physical tools and he made spectacular plays, but he turned the ball over a lot and he often failed on the simple passes to keep drives going.

At one time this "equal talent - white guy chosen" argument was true. See Warren Moon for example. I just don't believe it comes into play any more. Someone give me a recent example.
 
Anybody that watched that game last night cannot honestly say Tebow is the reason why they won last night. Yes he had the game winning drive but they did not win because of Tebow they won in spite of Tebow. He was absolutely pathetic the entire game. The defense kept giving him awesome field position and he could not even move the ball 10 yards to get them in FG position. It was constant 3 and out and the Denver defense would come through (coupled with awful play of Sanchez). If not for the pick 6 they would not of even had a chance to win on that final drive.

Religious, him kneeling on the sideline crap aside Tebow is not an NFL quarterback. Orton could have won that game last night just as easily as Tebow did.
 
tebow is a publicity whore and a fraud as a pro QB, and he gets away with it because he's a religious rightie white boy
/I'm out
 
storminspank said:
It's been his M.O. since college, Jon. That's the problem I have with it. He uses football as a platform. Maybe I read that incredibly wrong. I realize it's wrong to judge people and I am sorry to do that. However, the antics by Tebow are over the top. I always shrug during postgame interviews when the reporter asks how a player was able to hit that fade away jumper with time expiring to win the game and the player responds - "Jesus." or "All the credit to God, he helped me hit the shot." I get praising your Lord and Saviour, but you really think God has time to watch over your during a game where you dribble a leather ball on a wooden court and helped direct your shot into the bucket? Really? He might have given you strength, motivation, whatever, but he didn't make that shot.

Those sort of things just make me shake my head.

Everyone has their own views on faith, God, etc... I understand that, but sometimes there's a limitation.
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There's a limit to the God of the universe?
 
VintageHawkeye said:
tebow is a publicity whore and a fraud as a pro QB, and he gets away with it because he's a religious rightie white boy
/I'm out
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So you hate Tebow because he follows God and he's white?
Sandusky rapes kids. But you hate Tebow.
Kadhafy pillaged his own country. But you hate Tebow.

You convinced me. I hate the guy who does the right thing. I hate the guy who treats women with respect. I hate the guy who travels to third world countries to help less fortunate folk. I hate the guy who gives credit to his creator knowing full well that religious bigots like yourself will pillary him for it.

Funny how some will twist reality until good is bad, and bad is ok.
If I saw TT on one side of the street and you on the other, I know which side I'd feel safer on.
 
I'm not really a fan of organized religion in general but I do try to be a good person and "believe". The thing I find interesting about the disdain for Tebow and his religion is that I don't recall this level of vitriol for other athletes who were religious. Maybe time has erased the memory but I don't recall people getting this worked up over Reggie White or Kurt Warner and more recently Josh Hamilton. I'm sure there are others too.
 
hawkcigar said:
I'm not really a fan of organized religion in general but I do try to be a good person and "believe". The thing I find interesting about the disdain for Tebow and his religion is that I don't recall this level of vitriol for other athletes who were religious. Maybe time has erased the memory but I don't recall people getting this worked up over Reggie White or Kurt Warner and more recently Josh Hamilton. I'm sure there are others too.
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At one time I listened to the four Heisman finalists talk and came away impressed with Timmy, I thought he said all the right things and exemplified the spirit of what the Heisman used to be about.

I quickly got an overdose of everything Timmy.

I think the vitriol is reserved for Timmy because the hype for him was non stop and over the top.

I am like you in that my problem is not with a creative life force - whatever you want to call It - but rather with organized religion in general and because I'm an American and have had plenty of exposure to it , Christian fundamentalism in particular. I have found that many mainstream Christians to be totally ignorant of the truth and beauty of the esoterica within the Bible and in fact they remove themselves from it by insisting on a shallow and superficial literal interpretation of a book that deals exclusively with something 100% invisible, 100% of the time and that literal interpretation leads to all sorts of laughable conclusions.

It's these laughable conclusions that atheists reject and who can blame them, what clear thinking person wouldn't reject the nonsense and fairy tales a literal interpretation leads to?

To me Timmy is the poster child of everything I believe is wrong with organized religion/mainstteam Christianity and I reserve the right to continue to make fun of him because I am sick of hearing him, sick of hearing about him, and most of all, sick of the thing that he is the poster child for.
 
FalseMirage said:
At one time I listened to the four Heisman finalists talk and came away impressed with Timmy, I thought he said all the right things and exemplified the spirit of what the Heisman used to be about.

I quickly got an overdose of everything Timmy.

I think the vitriol is reserved for Timmy because the hype for him was non stop and over the top.

I am like you in that my problem is not with a creative life force - whatever you want to call It - but rather with organized religion in general and because I'm an American and have had plenty of exposure to it , Christian fundamentalism in particular. I have found that many mainstream Christians to be totally ignorant of the truth and beauty of the esoterica within the Bible and in fact they remove themselves from it by insisting on a shallow and superficial literal interpretation of a book that deals exclusively with something 100% invisible, 100% of the time and that literal interpretation leads to all sorts of laughable conclusions.

It's these laughable conclusions that atheists reject and who can blame them, what clear thinking person wouldn't reject the nonsense and fairy tales a literal interpretation leads to?

To me Timmy is the poster child of everything I believe is wrong with organized religion/mainstteam Christianity and I reserve the right to continue to make fun of him because I am sick of hearing him, sick of hearing about him, and most of all, sick of the thing that he is the poster child for.
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This is the finest post I have ever read on this or any other forum. BRAVO, FM, bravo.
 
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