I don't get how you can call for Frans head.

As far as I'm concerned, 90% of Iowa's problems fall squarely on the shoulderes of Oglesby and Jok. If either one of them, or even better, both, could hit the wide open shots they are seeing, we would be a much different and improved team.

This isn't McCaffery's fault as I'm sure he isn't instructing them to throw up bricks. Unfortunately, I'm not sure we are going to see a lot of improvement next year unless Jok finds his shooting eye and Fleming/Ellingson can provide some immediate help.

That said, I am still squarely in MCcaffery's camp and unless things take a decidedly nasty turn for the worse, I am willing to give him until the end of his contract to get the job done.
 
MisterLucky said:
As far as I'm concerned, 90% of Iowa's problems fall squarely on the shoulderes of Oglesby and Jok. If either one of them, or even better, both, could hit the wide open shots they are seeing, we would be a much different and improved team.

This isn't McCaffery's fault as I'm sure he isn't instructing them to throw up bricks. Unfortunately, I'm not sure we are going to see a lot of improvement next year unless Jok finds his shooting eye and Fleming/Ellingson can provide some immediate help.

That said, I am still squarely in MCcaffery's camp and unless things take a decidedly nasty turn for the worse, I am willing to give him until the end of his contract to get the job done.
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The majority of Iowa's problems stem from poor pg play, not arguing that Jok or Oglesby have also been bad too but we have the second worst pg in the conference and he is an upperclassmen, four star recruit. A guy who was supposed to be a difference maker, in a positive way, not the negative way he has been. Better pg play and this team is in a much better spot.

Yogi Ferrell 123.8
Jon Octeous 118.0
Melo Trimble 116.6
Travis Trice 115.5
Shannon Scott 110.0
Shep Garner 109.8
Jaylon Tate 108.2
Traveon Jackson 107.8
Deandre Mathieu 106.5
Myles Mack 104.8
Bryant McIntosh 99.8
Derrick Walton 98.4
Mike Gesell 98.4
Benny Parker 95.7
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
The majority of Iowa's problems stem from poor pg play, not arguing that Jok or Oglesby have also been bad too but we have the second worst pg in the conference and he is an upperclassmen, four star recruit. A guy who was supposed to be a difference maker, in a positive way, not the negative way he has been. Better pg play and this team is in a much better spot.

Yogi Ferrell 123.8
Jon Octeous 118.0
Melo Trimble 116.6
Travis Trice 115.5
Shannon Scott 110.0
Shep Garner 109.8
Jaylon Tate 108.2
Traveon Jackson 107.8
Deandre Mathieu 106.5
Myles Mack 104.8
Bryant McIntosh 99.8
Derrick Walton 98.4
Mike Gesell 98.4
Benny Parker 95.7
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In fear that I'm asking a question with an obvious answer.... What are the stats above?
 
docholihawk said:
He made the tournament in a year where his son had cancer and what does that say about the other years? It says we had a terrible team left by a terrible coach.


I wish I could understand what this means.
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If you have children of your own you would understand exactly what that means. I've lost both my mother and my father in the past 7 months. I've been distracted from my job and haven't been as effective at it as I can be. I can't imagine how distracted I'd be if I found my son or daughter had cancer.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
Sorry, the offensive rating for the player who gets the most time at pg for each B10 team.
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It would be interesting to see the defensive rating as well. We have known for a long time we don't really have an offensive point guard. Offensively, Mike is adequate but his true strength is on defense. Not many are getting by him this year and the opposing point guards are not faring well against him. Here are some head-to-head comparisons (left out Wisconsin as Jackson, who is on the list, didn't play against us):

John Octeus 0-3 in 29 minutes, 4 fouls, 1 point. Mike Gesell 7-14 in 27 minutes, 2 fouls, 18 points.
Shannon Scott 3-9 in 30 minutes, 2 fouls, 9 points. Mike Gesell 4-8 in 30 minutes, 1 foul, 11 points.
DeAndre Mathieu 4-6 in 27 minutes, 1 foul, 11 points. Mike Gesell 2-4 in 23 minutes, 3 fouls, 9 points.
Travis Trice 8-13 in 33 minutes, 1 foul, 25 points. Mike Gesell 5-8 in 25 minutes, 3 fouls, 10 points.
Benny Parker 1-3 in 33 minutes, 3 fouls, 2 points. Mike Gesell 0-1 in 24 minutes, 4 fouls, 2 points.
Shannon Scott 2-7 in 31 minutes, 2 fouls, 6 points. Mike Gesell 3-7 in 22 minutes, 2 fouls, 7 points.

It seems Mike is doing favorably head to head. Only against Michigan St was it apparent that their point guard did better offensively. And if Octeus is #2 on that list, based on his performance against Iowa, I'd say the stats are slanted.
 
Knight78 said:
It would be interesting to see the defensive rating as well. We have known for a long time we don't really have an offensive point guard. Offensively, Mike is adequate but his true strength is on defense. Not many are getting by him this year and the opposing point guards are not faring well against him. Here are some head-to-head comparisons (left out Wisconsin as Jackson, who is on the list, didn't play against us):

John Octeus 0-3 in 29 minutes, 4 fouls, 1 point. Mike Gesell 7-14 in 27 minutes, 2 fouls, 18 points.
Shannon Scott 3-9 in 30 minutes, 2 fouls, 9 points. Mike Gesell 4-8 in 30 minutes, 1 foul, 11 points.
DeAndre Mathieu 4-6 in 27 minutes, 1 foul, 11 points. Mike Gesell 2-4 in 23 minutes, 3 fouls, 9 points.
Travis Trice 8-13 in 33 minutes, 1 foul, 25 points. Mike Gesell 5-8 in 25 minutes, 3 fouls, 10 points.
Benny Parker 1-3 in 33 minutes, 3 fouls, 2 points. Mike Gesell 0-1 in 24 minutes, 4 fouls, 2 points.
Shannon Scott 2-7 in 31 minutes, 2 fouls, 6 points. Mike Gesell 3-7 in 22 minutes, 2 fouls, 7 points.

It seems Mike is doing favorably head to head. Only against Michigan St was it apparent that their point guard did better offensively. And if Octeus is #2 on that list, based on his performance against Iowa, I'd say the stats are slanted.
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No he's not, he's well below average, the second worst in the conference.
 
docholihawk said:
Yes we're trending up and at this pace we should make the final for in 10 or 15 years. We've been a bubble team the last 2 years and we will be again this year. The Big 10 is down this year compared to the last two years we should be doing better.
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Okay. So now we're in agreement that we're trending up. That's the only point I was trying to make in my response to your post.

As for this year anyone making a judgement right now is speculating. We're 4-3 and everyone is bunched together. We could finish 2nd and we could finish 8th. I still think we'll go 11-7 and not be on the bubble this year. I have no idea where 11-7 finishes but I have to think it's in the range of 3rd to 5th. But I'm also speculating. We'll all know in little over a month how we actually did. And there will be all kinds of varying opinions regardless.
 
We are only trending up if we make the tournament this year (the real tournament not the mercy play in game), otherwise it means that Fran's peak with a team of guys he recruited was a play in game that he lost before we have to rebuild things.

We are 13-7 coming off 2 terrible losses and unless we pull an upset or two won't sniff the big dance.
 
PCHawk said:
You say you don't judge him on that one year but if they didn't collapse and got a 4 seed and a sweet 16 or better, you wouldn't be judging him harshly at all. I just don't understand how someone can use the first years as strikes against him. This year not making the tournament is a strike, I get that. But years 1 and 2?

I mean come on. He made the tournament in a year where his son had cancer and what does that say about the other years? It says we had a terrible team left by a terrible coach.

Now that I think about it, Fran was on the same exact path as Kirk before the collapse. 1st year terrible. 2nd year a little better, 3rd year even better and you could tell they were on the verge. 4th year awesome until the collapse. 5th year is yet to be seen but almost certainly a drop off from where they could have been without the collapse. Kirk's 5th year was a slight drop off too.

Everything is all about the collapse. Without it Fran would be the man in everyone's eyes and no one would have much doubt about this year because they wouldn't be gun shy.
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In basketball, I will give his 1st season a pass but it's not like he walked into coaching basketball off of the street. He has been coaching, recruiting and building relationships for 30 years. He's been coaching up and down the East coast. Basabe and Uhl are the only east coast recruits he has landed. That's a little disturbing to me because I have to wonder what happened to all of those relationships he's built out there over the past 30 years. He's coached in PA and NY. The BTN is in both of those areas, so TV coverage should help some of the long distance hurdles. I have to wonder if the Iowa AD has such a limit on his recruiting budget that he cannot afford to get out there to recruit. Don't you find his lack of east coast recruiting a little curious?
 
I had a conversation with him once and he talked about being at a game recruiting a kid and Calipari was there so he talked to him. I don't remember specifics but Calipari said he had to leave there and go watch another kid play in another state later that day. Fran was talking about how rough it must be to have free reign to jump in your jet and go where you want when you want. He didn't specifically say that the budget here sucks but he did hint at it being an obstacle.
 
PCHawk said:
I had a conversation with him once and he talked about being at a game recruiting a kid and Calipari was there so he talked to him. I don't remember specifics but Calipari said he had to leave there and go watch another kid play in another state later that day. Fran was talking about how rough it must be to have free reign to jump in your jet and go where you want when you want. He didn't specifically say that the budget here sucks but he did hint at it being an obstacle.
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That would explain a lot. It would also fall in line with Gary Barta's level of incompetence. Why would you hire a head coach that's from the East coast, played on the east Coast, Coached most of his adult life on the East coast......and not give him the resources to recruit the East coast. Sounds about right.
 
lightning1 said:
That would explain a lot. It would also fall in line with Gary Barta's level of incompetence. Why would you hire a head coach that's from the East coast, played on the east Coast, Coached most of his adult life on the East coast......and not give him the resources to recruit the East coast. Sounds about right.
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Lol if that's true. That wouldn't be a well thought out decision on his part.
 
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