I am starting to think Lickliter actually had the right idea.....

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kmotuffe

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Let me preface this by saying his laziness and playing of his son was PATHETIC. That being said, did he actually have the right idea?

Watched Wisky tonight, they win by trotting out big ol' slow farmboys that play D AND IT WORKS!

I then watched Ben Jacobsen and UNI, they are playing the same style and are the most successful team in the state because of it.

Meanwhile, ISU and Iowa are stuck in "flash" mode and it doesn't work at all.

I am starting to honestly believe that the Lickliter strategy was probably the best one to bring Hawkeye hoops back to respectabilty.

He just wasn't good enuf at recruiting or following up with that strategy.

Fran; Teaching white Iowa kids to run and gun and play no defense probably isn't the answer either.
 
kmotuffe said:
Let me preface this by saying his laziness and playing of his son was PATHETIC. That being said, did he actually have the right idea?

Watched Wisky tonight, they win by trotting out big ol' slow farmboys that play D AND IT WORKS!

I then watched Ben Jacobsen and UNI, they are playing the same style and are the most successful team in the state because of it.

Meanwhile, ISU and Iowa are stuck in "flash" mode and it doesn't work at all.

I am starting to honestly believe that the Lickliter strategy was probably the best one to bring Hawkeye hoops back to respectabilty.

He just wasn't good enuf at recruiting or following up with that strategy.

Fran; Teaching white Iowa kids to run and gun and play no defense probably isn't the answer either.
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You can win either way, just depends on the talent.
 
True, but Fran's recruits thus far don't appear to fit his system either.

Woodbury certainly doesn't.

I think Fran needs to change philosophies just a bit.

Will he?

Or maybe it is just because Cart and Basabe weren't diamonds in the rough, instead, just rough...
 
hawkfan33 said:
You can win either way, just depends on the talent.
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This. I see UNC/Kansas/etc. winning by playing more run and gun. Does that mean run and gun is the only way that works? Of course not. It all depends on talent. We haven't had the talent to win with either philosophy.
 
TM- Good post. All I am saying is that maybe Lick's philosophy actually fit the talent we can get here?

It certainly doesn't seem to fit Fran's...
 
kmotuffe said:
True, but Fran's recruits thus far don't appear to fit his system either.

Woodbury certainly doesn't.

I think Fran needs to change philosophies just a bit.

Will he?

Or maybe it is just because Cart and Basabe weren't diamonds in the rough, instead, just rough...
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He doesn't? Have you seen him play a lot? UNC and Kansas both offered him and they both like to run. Tyler Zeller has a similar build to Woodbury and he's fit in great running an UNC.
 
Fran isn't teaching them to run and gun and not play D. I guarantee he teaches them to play defense and I guarantee he is a smart enough coach to teach them how to play it correctly. Defense is tricky, because it relies heavily on each person on the court to do their job every possession and never take a possession off. Even if 1 person is getting beat... that causes other people to have to shift over and help, thus leaving their man open and it becomes a big disaster. Until Fran can bring in the type of players he wants and we can get 5 guys with talent out on the court at once... the defense won't be very great.

Fran's system is all about teamwork. Play defense as a team, create turnovers as a team, create scoring opportunities as a team, and score as a team... and do it all at a fast pace to wear out the opponent. It isn't an offense where we go through ONE player every possession. Rather, we try to get the steal and push it up the floor and get the ball to whoever is under the basket/whoever ran the floor for the layup.

Fran's system has potential to be very hard to stop. He just needs to right puzzle pieces and right now we don't have them, but Fran is recruiting to bring in the right players so I am very confident in Fran.

If I was still playing I would love to play Fran's style of basketball and I have always been a very defensive-minded person. It isn't meant to be high scoring with no defense. We just lack the talent on the defensive side of things and that is starting to reflect on our offensive output lately.

tl;dr version:

Fran's System- Use defense/pressure to create turnovers to create offense.

We just lack the talent necessary to do that atm.
 
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kmotuffe said:
Let me preface this by saying his laziness and playing of his son was PATHETIC. That being said, did he actually have the right idea?

Watched Wisky tonight, they win by trotting out big ol' slow farmboys that play D AND IT WORKS!

I then watched Ben Jacobsen and UNI, they are playing the same style and are the most successful team in the state because of it.

Meanwhile, ISU and Iowa are stuck in "flash" mode and it doesn't work at all.

I am starting to honestly believe that the Lickliter strategy was probably the best one to bring Hawkeye hoops back to respectabilty.

He just wasn't good enuf at recruiting or following up with that strategy.

Fran; Teaching white Iowa kids to run and gun and play no defense probably isn't the answer either.
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No.
 
kmotuffe said:
TM- Good post. All I am saying is that maybe Lick's philosophy actually fit the talent we can get here?

It certainly doesn't seem to fit Fran's...
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I think he fits with the kind of talent he'll be able to get going forward (including the guys like Oglesby and Olaseni and White). It just doesn't fit great with enough of the guys that we have right now.
 
kmotuffe said:
Let me preface this by saying his laziness and playing of his son was PATHETIC. That being said, did he actually have the right idea?

Watched Wisky tonight, they win by trotting out big ol' slow farmboys that play D AND IT WORKS!

I then watched Ben Jacobsen and UNI, they are playing the same style and are the most successful team in the state because of it.

Meanwhile, ISU and Iowa are stuck in "flash" mode and it doesn't work at all.

I am starting to honestly believe that the Lickliter strategy was probably the best one to bring Hawkeye hoops back to respectabilty.

He just wasn't good enuf at recruiting or following up with that strategy.

Fran; Teaching white Iowa kids to run and gun and play no defense probably isn't the answer either.
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Way too early to suggest this, IMHO. Fran's Iowa program is still very much a work in progress. Let's see what it looks like once he gets three or four classes of his own players on campus.
 
I used to try and defend our fan base when others would say we had some of the most delusional fans in all of sports. No longer. They are right. I really hate some of our fans, and I wish they would just go away.
 
Under Fran, the team lost their first game last year, and won the last against a ranked Purdue team. And, came close to sending it to overtime against Michigan State in the first round of the conference tourny. The team improved. And, I expect this group to improve this year, no delusion needed.
 
JailBreak81 said:
I used to try and defend our fan base when others would say we had some of the most delusional fans in all of sports. No longer. They are right. I really hate some of our fans, and I wish they would just go away.
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I like this post. That's how I feel about a lot of Cubs fans too. (It's going to be awkward when I'm one of the people you're referring too)
 
kmotuffe said:
TM- Good post. All I am saying is that maybe Lick's philosophy actually fit the talent we can get here?

It certainly doesn't seem to fit Fran's...
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WTF are you talking about. There is no talent on this team. Bo Ryan, John Wooden, Coach K, or anyone else couldn't coach what Lick. brought in.

Actually Licks philosophy would fit this team. No talent or ability.
 
Way too early to suggest this, IMHO. Fran's Iowa program is still very much a work in progress. Let's see what it looks like once he gets three or four classes of his own players on campus.
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This.

You have to give a coach more than 500 days to turn a program around, no matter who the coach is. I'm sure Lickliter's system would have worked with the right players, and I think Fran's system will work with the right players.

But, expecting Fran to implement his system with Lickliter's players and have success immediately is not realistic.

Kind of the deal up in Michigan the last few years. I think Rich Rodriguez would have been successful up there (the offense was already pretty solid), but he didn't get enough time to put it all together.
 
JailBreak81 said:
I used to try and defend our fan base when others would say we had some of the most delusional fans in all of sports. No longer. They are right. I really hate some of our fans, and I wish they would just go away.
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The OP is a troll who likes to crap on the Hawks.
 
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