I am starting to think Lickliter actually had the right idea.....

Gatens must be gone, May must be gone, Brommer must be gone, Archie must be gone, and probably one of the Sophomores must be gone.

Swapping Meyer and Woody for Brommer and Archie is such a huge leap in talent it is hard to even fathom.

After that, the increase in athleticism and ball handling on the perimeter will be staggering.

It would be nice if the team could find another wing with the athleticism and skill to break his guy down and get to the rim.
 
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Gatens must be gone, May must be gone, Brommer must be gone, Archie must be gone, and probably one of the Sophomores must be gone.

Swapping Meyer and Woody for Brommer and Archie is such a huge leap in talent it is hard to even fathom.

After that, the increase in athleticism and ball handling on the perimeter will be staggering.

It would be nice if the team could find another wing with the athleticism and skill to break his guy down and get to the rim.
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This.

It boggles the mind to watch fans and how they try to analyze something they know very little about...

Currently there are only 4 players that are what I would call Fran's recruits and 3 are underclassmen w/ 2 being Freshmen - Cartwright, Basabe, White & Ogelsby. Fran is having to heavily depend on players recruited for a very diferent type of style of offense - especially in the paint. Expecting the normal Freshman to come in and be an impact player from the get-go isn't realistic. Very few can come in and be a game changer - especially without a supporting cast of upperclassmen that know how and were recruited to play what that particular coach wants to run.

PS - Forgot to add Gabe to the list of Fran's recruits. Make it 5 of Fran's recruits on this roster. Most understood that Gabe was going to be a work in progress...
 
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Some of you guys need to back away from the ledge. Lick buried this program, and it will take years to rebuild. Fran can do it, it won't be pretty some nights, but we will get there. What this program needs is fan support, not a bunch of people calling for the coach's head one year into a massive rebuilding job.
 
kmotuffe said:
Let me preface this by saying his laziness and playing of his son was PATHETIC. That being said, did he actually have the right idea?

Watched Wisky tonight, they win by trotting out big ol' slow farmboys that play D AND IT WORKS!

I then watched Ben Jacobsen and UNI, they are playing the same style and are the most successful team in the state because of it.

Meanwhile, ISU and Iowa are stuck in "flash" mode and it doesn't work at all.

I am starting to honestly believe that the Lickliter strategy was probably the best one to bring Hawkeye hoops back to respectabilty.

He just wasn't good enuf at recruiting or following up with that strategy.

Fran; Teaching white Iowa kids to run and gun and play no defense probably isn't the answer either.
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You know ZERO about basketball. There is no one single way to win. Nearly any style can be successful if the coach is able to recruit to his style and communicate and motivate his players.

You are the problem with Iowa basketball. Lickliter is the answer??? Have you forgotten the mass player transfers, 42-38 final scores, and worst of all, empty Carver-Hawkeye arenas? Yeah, lets all run FM out and go back to that.

Fran is the answer. Support him and the program or GTFO.:mad:
 
1st of all Wiscy does not just bring slow white farm boys, each year they also have at least 1 elite athlete/player a la Jordan Taylor and previously guys like Kamron Taylor, Alando Tucker and even way back to Michael Finley. I will repeat what several other poster have stated in that any style can win but needs the right guys. Butler wouldn't have made the last 2 title games if Lick's system didn't work, but recruiting out of Indianapolis, even to a Horizon team is easier than recruiting out of IC.

I am getting sick of some of these posts that keep suggesting 'white guys' are the problem. These comments either date you, expose your ignorance and/or maybe both. Complexion/ethnicity/etc are not what wins games nor does that by itself make or break an athlete. If you want an extensive list if 'white guys' with explosive athleticism I can post it.
 
No doubt! Fran needs to get Lick on the phone and start getting some advice from he guy...Lick may not have been a very good recruiter...but the man can coach!!

If we had Fran just recruit and Lick just coach...Iowa would be unstoppable and win national titles every year.
 
kmotuffe said:
Let me preface this by saying his laziness and playing of his son was PATHETIC. That being said, did he actually have the right idea?

Watched Wisky tonight, they win by trotting out big ol' slow farmboys that play D AND IT WORKS!

I then watched Ben Jacobsen and UNI, they are playing the same style and are the most successful team in the state because of it.

Meanwhile, ISU and Iowa are stuck in "flash" mode and it doesn't work at all.

I am starting to honestly believe that the Lickliter strategy was probably the best one to bring Hawkeye hoops back to respectabilty.

He just wasn't good enuf at recruiting or following up with that strategy.

Fran; Teaching white Iowa kids to run and gun and play no defense probably isn't the answer either.
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Congrats. You've hit rock bottom.
 
Fran is still having to play Lick's recruits. Give him time to get his own players to fill the roster.
 
DJL said:
Some of you guys need to back away from the ledge. Lick buried this program, and it will take years to rebuild. Fran can do it, it won't be pretty some nights, but we will get there. What this program needs is fan support, not a bunch of people calling for the coach's head one year into a massive rebuilding job.
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+1000
 
kmotuffe said:
Let me preface this by saying his laziness and playing of his son was PATHETIC. That being said, did he actually have the right idea?

Watched Wisky tonight, they win by trotting out big ol' slow farmboys that play D AND IT WORKS!

I then watched Ben Jacobsen and UNI, they are playing the same style and are the most successful team in the state because of it.

Meanwhile, ISU and Iowa are stuck in "flash" mode and it doesn't work at all.

I am starting to honestly believe that the Lickliter strategy was probably the best one to bring Hawkeye hoops back to respectabilty.

He just wasn't good enuf at recruiting or following up with that strategy.

Fran; Teaching white Iowa kids to run and gun and play no defense probably isn't the answer either.
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Tom Davis made the NCAA tourny many times running this kind of system with mid level talent and his defense didn't defend the 3 point line either.

I'm not even a big fan of Davis, but his style was exciting and kept Iowa a respectable program.

Iowa won't get to elite BB status with this system unless they have a Lute or Raveling type of recruiter. But they can get back to respectable BB with this system and some decent talent.
 
You just have to have the right athletes. It'll get there, wait another year or two. It'll be in full mode, you can't shoot cold forever. It's not like they aren't getting open looks at the basket. They are but they are missing. They are getting to the line and not making them. Those types of things will kill you in the game. We don't have a very big body in the post either. Woodbury will give that presence. It'll take shape, hopefully!
 
Xerxes said:
Tom Davis made the NCAA tourny many times running this kind of system with mid level talent and his defense didn't defend the 3 point line either.

I'm not even a big fan of Davis, but his style was exciting and kept Iowa a respectable program.

Iowa won't get to elite BB status with this system unless they have a Lute or Raveling type of recruiter. But they can get back to respectable BB with this system and some decent talent.
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I wonder how well Mr. Davis would do at Iowa if he was the coach right now. The non-conference schedule was always full of cupcakes. Now with more parity with mid-majors being better as a whole, would it be tougher to make the NCAA tourney year end and year out? I have no idea, just food for thought.
 
I think Lick played even slower than he wanted to. He had no players and it was the only way to be competitive. I do believe that Lick new his x's and o's. And that is about the extent of it. I am in no way supportive of Lick and what he did at Iowa.

I am still on board with Fran, but i want to see improvements in basic fundamentals and adjustments to schemes when they are not working.

People at Duke wanted coach K fired after year 3. Look how it worked out for them? We all need a little patience
 
Nothing anyone will say will convince me that Lick as the Iowa coach is a good idea.

Regarding talent and recruiting , give it time. Fran has been here only what? 18 months? The new bball facilities just opened. Remember in Iowa "if you build it they will come!"
 
you are wrong about Fran's recruiting all you have to do is look at his 3rd class
1 Top 50 player who fits the biggest hole on this team and that is the center spot, 1 more in the Top 100 and also fills the 2nd biggest spot the point guard, and this class is one of the Top 20 Classes in the country, some of you ask a lot of a coach that has been here 19 months, go away for a couple years with your **** poor attitude

lick had the right idea "my god how stupid are you"
 
Tell me what type of players on championship caliber teams? The answer will show that iowa does not and probably never will have those type of players. The closest they have come is with tom davis. BJ, Roy Marble, Kevin Gamble, Ed Horton. What do these players all have in common?
 
their black
oh yeah thre of the 4 were recruited by Raveling, not sure about Gamble he may have been a Raveling recruit as well
Ravelling could sure recruit never got the chance to really see him coach
i was always of the thought that Mr. Davis should have tried to keep Ravelling in to recruit and then coach them
what a pair they would have made
Lutes last recruit to Iowa was McDonalds AA out of Arizona, so the myth about top level kids coming to Iowa is a complete myth used by losers
 
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