BILLYBOBSTEXAS
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When I'm in my garage/bar I always play Tom Petty! Good Stuff! I would rather hear his music than any one else out there.
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Northside Hawk
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Do we need to go over to the music thread to continue this? Benmont Tench and Mike Campbell were the musicians in that band. Which is not a crime. Elliot Easton and Greg Hawkes were the musicians in the Cars, and Ben Orr was a better singer, even though Ric Ocasek wrote the songs. But that didn't stop the Cars and it certainly didn't stop Petty.
You're prepared to list ten respectable columnists who are positive to every perceived dig, then you will me to ignore the critics all together? Which is it?
Listen to music in your own head? How do you think i discovered the Ramones, the Clash and the Buzzcocks while others were listening to new wave and arena rock. Motley Crue, Poison and Bon Jovi were all decent to good but I can name a dozen contemporaries from the 80's indie rock underground that weren't allowed to open for them. With good reason-they would have blown the Vidal Sasoons halfway to Antarctica. I was telling people in 2006 to forget Carrie Underwood, watch out for Miranda Lambert.
Out of my mind? I will take that as the highest compliment. I discovered a lot of truly great music that way.
Tom Petty does have a lot of recognizable riffs. But there's a reason that Roger McGuinn can do a better version of "American Girl" than Petty himself. And you can throw Bob Dylan in there as another major Petty influence. He is a major player, had a solid respected career. But it's more John Mellencamp or Bob Seger than it is Dylan, Bowie, Stones, Zeppelin or Beatles. Which is the pedestal you seem to be trying to raise him up to. It just is. I'm sorry.
Fryowa
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There are also people making up a third dynamic though too, which I happen to be part of...
I don't hate KF, but I'm not a huge fan, either. I'm also realistic in the sense that I don't think there are better available options out there right now. The idiots in Nebraska's administration are perfect evidence of what happens when you fire stable coaches. With each successive round of musical coaches you have less credibility with recruits, and waaaaay less credibility in the pool of available coaches to choose from. No elite coach s going to go somewhere where the deck is stacked against them from the start, and even if they do get a guy with a few wins like Frost, he can put all the lipstick on it he wants, but it's still a pig.
Why is Wisconsin getting the credit they are? Because they did what it takes to be successful. The administration got a ridiculously talented AD with football knowledge to take control, put the right people in charge, and demand accountability. And we pay a snaggle-toothed Missouri Valley reject a shit load of money to yell at Gary Dolphin and lose millions in lawsuits through ineptitude. Eventually the Hawkeye program is going to pay the piper for Barta and Harreld's idiocy.
Where I do think the Hawkeye program is driving off a cliff is by hiring BF as coach. We can speculate all we want but we all know that it's going to happen, and I firmly believe that BF is going to sink the program. I hope not, but I really think it's going to happen. Who would I pick instead? I don't know the answer to that but I do know I'd offer Phil Parker a bunch of money and hope that he chose to keep Seth Wallace as his DC.
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KF and coaches used to develop great safeties. Many played in the NFL and some still are. I have never thought that safety was a huge weakness on our teams. there have been a few since 2012 who maybe didnt have the speed or best tackling angles but overall they have been very good.
Northside Hawk
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It is good stuff. And he has a dedicated fan base which explains why I have touched a nerve. Petty checks a lot of boxes and will probably be the subject of a movie soon. His music is invigorating and enjoyable. I don't disagree with any of this. But he never reached the Springsteen/Fogerty/Van Morrison level that he was capable of reaching, let alone the true immortals like Dylan/Bowie/Stones/Beatles. And I am in a hot debate over it with a fellow poster. Because I won't give him more credit than @WinOneThisCentury feels is due.
Northside Hawk
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Phil himself is getting a little long in the tooth for someone who has never had head coaching experience. If his desire is to be one, he probably should have jumped ship six or eight years ago, even though his gain would have been our loss.
I've had a front row ringside seat to Wisconsin's brilliance the last twenty years. There's an entire generation of Badger fans over here who have no idea how good they have it.
guffus
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All Iowa has to do is give up 1 home game once every 6 years and it could schedule another P5 team OOC once every 3 years in a home and home series.
And I found the perfect year for Iowa to give up a home game and schedule a 2nd P5 OOC on the road.
2024
The ISU game is in Iowa City in 2024
Big Ten cross overs in 2024 are against Rut, MD and Indy.
Make it happen.
And I found the perfect year for Iowa to give up a home game and schedule a 2nd P5 OOC on the road.
2024
The ISU game is in Iowa City in 2024
Big Ten cross overs in 2024 are against Rut, MD and Indy.
Make it happen.
Agreed about big schools actually wanting to add dollars to the coffers of smaller schools. I think Iowa and ISU like to schedule UNI to keep money in the state and help the third state school. I think 90% of the time Iowa gets a win against non-P5 schools and these other schools get a really good payday.
As it is now Iowa should be no less than 2-1 after the non-conf. And they should be 3-0 statistically about 65% of the time.
I didnt appreciate Petty enough until the mid to late 80's because I didnt buy his albums. But once I did listen more I found his songs have a very lyrical styling and some great rock and roll tunes along with some great storytelling.
I am not equating KF or Tom Osborne to a legend like John Wooden but Nebraska has been trying to find a Devaney/Osborne ever since Osborne left. Nebby should have stuck with Solich for a few more years to see if he could do it rather than fire him when he was successful.
UCLA had to suffer some down years before they started winning again and yet they have never really returned to greatness as the top program in the West.
And Iowa needs to be wary of hiring a totally unknown quantity of as a head coach when KF retires. I think the Iowa job, the football program, and Iowa 'net worth' is top 25 so I think it a mistake to hire someone like BFerentz who has no head coaching experience when there are proven P5 coaches who might want to come to Iowa.
Fryowa
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Parker has known that if Kirk Ferentz is anything, he's stable and that as long as he's the head coach Phil has a job. A damn good job. When/if Kirk leaves, that changes. Even with Baby 'Rentz, because I don't think he's got the talent to keep the program together. Listen to the guy do interviews, it’s nothing but obvious, vague psychobabble. Like, “If we want to win games, we need to score points,” or “We need to get better at putting ourselves in a position to do the things we need to do to be able to win ballgames.” Just ridiculous, stupid shit like that. The guy is seriously going to be running a P5 football team in a few years, boys.
He's an equal parts mixture of Alan Greenspan and John Madden, minus the economics knowledge and coaching talent.
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Fryowa
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He already was doing it.
okeefe4prez
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Pretty much every coach says that. I hate going to games with guys who are like "we gotta hurry back to the car so we can listen to post game presser." They all say the same shit. Then I have to listen to the damned call in show with Floyd from Lamoni calling and talking about Jordan Canzeri reminds him of some kid who played ball at Lamoni back in 1979. I much prefer the boards because the average jabroni who calls into those shows maxes out their IQ by pushing the digits on the phone and they wouldn't be able to type a message on here.
Yes, Phil would be my choice, too, if we were to go in-house. He's certainly earned it, and would keep the Iowa identity on defense. I don't know about offense, though.
Yes he was but I suppose some Nebby fans thought he was doing it with Osborne's players as I think Solich's record declined in years 4 and 5.
Fryowa
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If we're talking Iowa, Parker and Wallace are great to listen to.
They talk football. Not tired cliches and superlatives like Kirk Jr.
WinOneThisCentury
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Wait...before the bar was "comfortable", "not good enough"...now the measurement is the Stones, Beatles, Zeppelin, or Dylan. That's a pretty far span to go from. I took issue with you calling him comfortable, and not quite greatness...if you want to put him at a rung below the greatest bands of all time...I'm fine with that. There was a reason he was in the Traveling Wilburys...he was a icon like the other four.
His music is did take risks and achieved a unique sound...his voice alone was so distinct. Here is a musician's musician, a great writer, and was well respected by his peers...which goes alot further in my book than any music critic. My god, he's alot closer to Dylan, Bowie and the Stones than he is to Bob Seger and Mellencamp. That's a swing and a miss Northside.
thedukeofearl
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Thanks for putting things in the proper perspective, Rob
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LoyalSon
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To quote James Earl Jones as Terrance Mann in Field of Dreams, "alright, now you've really pissed me off!" A lot of people complain about Kirk Ferentz, but your criticism of Tom Petty is a bridge too far for this Hawkeye fan.
In all seriousness, I think the comparison of either to the other is a compliment to each.
