Yup... He wasn't able to win much with it and nobody was willing to leave their couch to go to CHA on cold winter nights to watch that. Attendance went into the toilet and he had no shot at sticking around. Even Barta had to let him go. The Ws against mediocre BIG West teams are the only reason KFs been able to weather the last 3 yrs of this. I don't think folks realize just how hard and unlikely it is to continue winning with literally the worst O in football. To enable that to continue as an HC or AD is wild.
How do the next 4 games go?
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InGoodCo
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Honestly, I don't think we'll need to worry about it and you'll get your wish. I expect the bottom to fall out pretty quickly when they move away from what has made them as successful as they have been. So, in either scenario, neither of us see a great future for Iowa football. It's a sobering future.
The odds of a coaching change resulting in Iowa being able to win next yr a lot aren't very good. Look at Wisconsin. They are doing ok but they aren't where they hoped to be either after drastically changing their O. It takes time. Most of the kids on that O starting now were recruited and brought in having practiced and played an entirely different system for multiple yrs. Square pegs and round holes take time to mesh and that's what they are finding out. So yeah even if KF cans his kid and brings in a new OC with more of a passing back round there wouldn't be any quick fixes right away. Or if say KF retires all together obviously that's an entirely different can of worms
okeefe4prez
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Oh, I'm sorry, the guy I was responding to said Iowa had a "ton" to play for. I disagree. The Big Ten West is amongst the shittiest divisions ever conceived in Power 5 history and its trophy has about as much historical significance as the fake rivalry trophy our very own Bobby Diaco tried to get going when he coached at UConn. We have a 9 year track record so far. 0-9 against the East in the title game. Average margin of victory is 20 points a game. At some point the sample size gets big enough that you don't need to see any more. The tallest midget trophy for winning our soon to be dismantled division does not constitute a "ton."
Iowa beat Ohio 6 years ago. That team had two first round tight ends. This team would get pasted by 35 minimum in the title game. I don't want to watch it. I've seen enough of this iteration of KurtBall against the big boys to know that I don't want it. There have been plenty of times in the past twenty years where I would say "sure, bring it on" against long odds but when you think back to the game at Happy Valley, or the game in Columbus last year or the game against Michigan in Indy there's just no glimmer of hope that this offense could even surpass 200 yards (let's be honest, 100 would be a challenge until the scrubs hit the field) and not leave the defense on the field for 42 minutes to shit itself worse than that guy in the hit movie Seven. There is good press you can have by having an inept offense like ours, but losing 42-3 in a primetime matchup just reinforces the image of Iowa as a dogshit program. I don't want it. There is absolutely nothing redeeming about watching a game where your team gets dominated every single play for 60 straight minutes. It is not fun.
InGoodCo
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oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were going to explain to me how I was wrong when you know for sure I wasnt.
okeefe4prez
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You're one of the guys who was hyping up our deep NIT run, weren't you? "YOU STILL GET A TROPHY AT THE END!"
InGoodCo
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I wasn't, NIT is Not In Tournament. It's NCAA or bust every year for Fran IMO. He misses, I'm gonna want him replaced.
I also don't think we're in a nightmare when we've gone 11-3 in football the last calendar year.
Sorry that I have some basic intelligence and understanding of how college football works, I'll try harder to be dumb(er)
trj
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IMO, not winning the crappy B1G West is more embarrassing than getting curb stomped by Michigan 50-0 in a B1G title game. A beat down in the B1G championship game will not change anything that is already out there. So give me the 0.9% chance that they could win it.
Michigan would destroy Iowa, but OSU and PSU have very young, very flawed quarterbacks, so those 2 schools are vulnerable to an upset. Unlikely to happen because of the dogshit offense, but I would like to see the Hawks be in the game to have a chance.
Michigan would destroy Iowa, but OSU and PSU have very young, very flawed quarterbacks, so those 2 schools are vulnerable to an upset. Unlikely to happen because of the dogshit offense, but I would like to see the Hawks be in the game to have a chance.
I like the hawks but how long are you guys going to beat your head against the wall .personally I done until there’s some coaching changes.
HuckFinn
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See ya’
Glass1/2fullguy
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This is exactly where I’m at and in a really weird way kind of anticipating all the drama that’ll ensue over the coming weeks. After the loss to minn I don’t care if they win or lose. Wait I guess I still want them to beat Nebraska.
Once a cheese brain always a cheese brain . Can’t fix it !!!
Northside Hawk
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Hayden wrote in his book that the team got a standing ovation first play from scrimmage in the first game when they came out in a spread formation.
When they completed the pass they got another one.
okeefe4prez
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I don't think our program is a nightmare, either, I just don't want to watch this iteration of offense against an elite team. And the dogshit West title is the football equivalent of the NIT except even worse because the NIT at least had historical significance and wasn't just created out of whole cloth a decade ago to create a title game for TV money.
Here are our scores against 10+ win Big Ten teams over the past 3 years:
42-3
27-14
52-10
31-0 (assuming PSU gets to 10 this year)
We've scored 3 TDs in the last 4 games against elite teams. One was scored by Joe Evans. One was in garbage time against Michigan. This team has absolutely no business getting rolled out there against a blue blood.
Either way it's pretty damn embarrassing. There's no putting lipstick on it. But bragging about winning the West isn't it either. And yet KF has used that as his National Championship pretty much. Has anyone ever heard him talk about making the playoffs being the actual goal? Cause I haven't.
InGoodCo
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Weird, teams lose to elite teams? Tell me more? JFC, I bet you could do something similar with WI, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, USC, Clemson, K St, Florida State, TCU.... i mean, it's weird, but when good teams meet elite teams, it's typically lopsided. You live in a vacuum where things only happen to Iowa, it's weird.
InGoodCo
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Win the B1G and the rest takes care of itself, I know, weird concept. Getting blown out is not embarrassing. Losing to good teams is not emberassing. Not getting there when you are expected to, is embarassing. If you think winning the west and getting beat by a good team is emberassing, then you're the loser. Winning the B1G West was always the ultimate goal for this Iowa football program this season. We all knew that TOSU, UM and PSU lived in the East right? That didn't change this week. Iowa still has it's ultimate goal in front of them and also they have shitty fans cheering for them to lose.
okeefe4prez
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You are inferring arguments that no one is making. Iowa had the second to worst offense in the country last year. We have the worst offense in the country this year. We have managed at best two sustained drives per game against any team that has even a middling P5 defense and that streak has been ongoing since the beginning of last season, when we put up a whopping 3 offensive points against South Dakota State, so it's not just a fluke, bad luck or just a cold spell. This is an historically bad offense and comparisons to the teams you listed above is preposterous. We already know the drill. Iowa comes out, puts up one sustained drive with the plays that are scripted and repeated a hundred times in practice. We get 3 or a punt that pins the opponent deep. Then, the offense has 6 straight 3 and outs, or maybe turnovers, but we don't see a first down for maybe 30 minutes of gametime. Time of possession ends somewhere at 40-20 and the poor kids playing defense get hung out there for 85 plays doing nothing but creating highlight reel film for NFL draft shows for receivers, TEs or RBs.
Some men are masochists. You probably are. I am not.
okeefe4prez
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No, my goal was to win the conference and get to the playoff and I think that was the goal of the team going into August as well. If we didn't lose the TEs and if Cade was 100% and stayed upright there was a very real chance of that happening, likely the last of the Ferentz era. Your goal, because you grew up in the era of "self-esteem" is to "win" what is in essence a participation trophy. The main goal, the one that fans actually care about, is off the table and watching a totally gassed Cooper DeJean get teabagged by Marvin Harrison in the 4th quarter while OSU is trying to score style points with a 41 point lead is utterly embarrassing.
