How do the next 4 games go?

I am not rooting for the Hawks to lose.
That said, I believe it is imperative for the future of the program that the Iowa offense needs a makeover - talent, coaching, scheme, strategy, culture.
If Kirk said tomorrow this was his last year, or Brian resigns, then I will continue to root for the Hawks as I have for over 50 years.
On the other hand, if losing is the only way to force the needed changes in the program, then I'm sorry to say I would be willing to endure losing out - if that's the only way to implement changes to the offense.
That is wild man....wild. More power to ya, but man, wanting it so badly for a program that routinely is one of the best in the sport (and % have only climbed as of late) at winning ball games is super wild to me. It's weird.

Am I crazy? Is it weird to want a program that has gone 11-3 since last October to lose out so you can get the HC's son fired for a position he's just a fucking puppet at?

Wild I tell ya. Hawk fans don't play
 
Yea, you always make good points. I just don't understand how a coach in his 25th season along with his the experience of his son can have a team in this predicament where they are so depleted in a unit and non-competitive. Frustrating.
Like politicians, coaches often stay on longer than they should.
 
I do get it, I just don't think it's Brian, I think it's all Kirk. There's a big part of me that wants this to be the end for him as well. Like, I see the same issues you guys see, but I also take D and ST into account and Iowa has been pretty exceptional in those areas. So, I get it, I do, I am frustrated with the offense so bad but I don't think I could ever become numb to it right? Like, get to the point where I don't care anymore? Maybe I might get there if Iowa went like 3-9 for several seasons, or just had a string of losing years... I might have to reevaluate where I spend my time. Like, would it be worth it to be a Husker fan the last decade? Like, that would truly suck and I would ask myself regularly, why do I support this?

But I can't in good conscience be like "I hope this team loses so we don't get smoked in the championship game" for a program that is 49-20 since 2018 and is winning at this high of level. I also recognize that the program is 14-7 since last year. Which isn't ideal.

I know I am in the minority here and I will take the wrath ya guys want to dish out. I just feel like we could REALLY be in a nightmare as Hok fans. This is meh, not so great but still winning a whole F ton more then we lose.
But we all know KF is going to retire at some point and most likely in a few years if not after this one. With the state of where the offense is, whose to say it shouldn't happen now if is going happen anyway. I feel now Iowa is at the crossroads with getting decent recruits to commit on the offensive side of the ball. I also realize Iowa has had two coaches in the last 45 years with winning % around .620 which is pretty good at Iowa when looking historically.

I looked at the list of coaches at Iowa and records. There have been 23 other coaches prior to Hayden Fry and most those coaches were only at the helm for 1-5 years, with some around 8 yrs.

People who think everything is just going to be great if we just changed to a new coach need to be careful. Many are not old enough to appreciate the struggles of all the years prior to 1979. Iowa is one bad coaching hire of being the next Indiana or NW, to be honest, especially with the landscape of the conference changing. I also put that into perspective, but again, we know KF will retire at some point so it is coming.

 
I get it, watching teams win over and over does start to wear on me as well.

Why are you so worried about the future? Kirk is not going to be the future of Iowa football. He's 68 years old. He doesn't factor much longer if at all.

Bigger picture?

Bigger picture Iowa is in even better shape, 49-20 since 2018 and winning 71% of their games. They are 11-3 over the last calendar year.

It's funny to me how many people think that's bad.
You're looking backwards. I'm looking forward. This season combined with the previous few are just cratering the reputation of this program. They are becoming a laughing stock. Perception is reality to recruits. And the perception is Iowa is the worst D1 program to go to if you want to play offense. (Stats are pretty much confirming it) How the heck can they recruit going forward like this? QBs don't get developed. WRs don't even get used or developed. That's just unsustainable now.

With the expansion of the league and dissolvement of the divisions winning games 12-6 isn't going to be possible. Not enough to win 8 plus games anyway. So yeah if Iowa wins out goes to Indy gets smashed and plays in a bowl game that they may or may not be competitive in would lead to what? KF and BF coming back next yr so we can rinse and repeat this yrs offense minus getting the Ws? No thanks... The cycle's gotta stop sometime why not sooner than later
 
That is wild man....wild. More power to ya, but man, wanting it so badly for a program that routinely is one of the best in the sport (and % have only climbed as of late) at winning ball games is super wild to me. It's weird.

Am I crazy? Is it weird to want a program that has gone 11-3 since last October to lose out so you can get the HC's son fired for a position he's just a fucking puppet at?

Wild I tell ya. Hawk fans don't play
Not rooting to lose.
Rooting for whatever it takes to change the offense.
Tell me how that happens.
 
You're looking backwards. I'm looking forward. This season combined with the previous few are just cratering the reputation of this program. They are becoming a laughing stock. Perception is reality to recruits. And the perception is Iowa is the worst D1 program to go to if you want to play offense. (Stats are pretty much confirming it) How the heck can they recruit going forward like this? QBs don't get developed. WRs don't even get used or developed. That's just unsustainable now.

With the expansion of the league and dissolvement of the divisions winning games 12-6 isn't going to be possible. Not enough to win 8 plus games anyway. So yeah if Iowa wins out goes to Indy gets smashed and plays in a bowl game that they may or may not be competitive in would lead to what? KF and BF coming back next yr so we can rinse and repeat this yrs offense minus getting the Ws? No thanks... The cycle's gotta stop sometime why not sooner than later
Iowa attracted some top end talent in the portal this offseason, right after having statistically one of the worst years ever. Iowa is going to be able to compete with NIL. I am not worried about attracting top talent to a program that puts 4 to 5 guys into the NFL draft every season. You shouldn't be either

If you're worried about being the laughing stock of Colin Cowherd or Pat Mcafee vs actual results on the field I'd argue that you aren't really worried about things that are actually important to Iowa football. Which is fine too. Plenty of room for that type of fan in every fan base.
 
But we all know KF is going to retire at some point and most likely in a few years if not after this one. With the state of where the offense is, whose to say it shouldn't happen now if is going happen anyway. I feel now Iowa is at the crossroads with getting decent recruits to commit on the offensive side of the ball. I also realize Iowa has had two coaches in the last 45 years with winning % around .620 which is pretty good at Iowa when looking historically.

I looked at the list of coaches at Iowa and records. There have been 23 other coaches prior to Hayden Fry and most those coaches were only at the helm for 1-5 years, with some around 8 yrs.

People who think everything is just going to be great if we just changed to a new coach need to be careful. Many are not old enough to appreciate the struggles of all the years prior to 1979. Iowa is one bad coaching hire of being the next Indiana or NW, to be honest, especially with the landscape of the conference changing. I also put that into perspective, but again, we know KF will retire at some point so it is coming.

Iowa is also one good coaching hire from being the next Iowa 1979 - 1991.
Or Iowa 1999-2009.
 
Iowa attracted some top end talent in the portal this offseason, right after having statistically one of the worst years ever. Iowa is going to be able to compete with NIL. I am not worried about attracting top talent to a program that puts 4 to 5 guys into the NFL draft every season. You shouldn't be either

If you're worried about being the laughing stock of Colin Cowherd or Pat Mcafee vs actual results on the field I'd argue that you aren't really worried about things that are actually important to Iowa football. Which is fine too. Plenty of room for that type of fan in every fan base.
Cade fell in their lap with All tied to him at the hip. Do you think it's a sustainable thing that Iowa can continue to get others? Because I don't. What's Brown done so far is he even on the team still? Anderson? Parker? Anderson is the only one playing and his biggest play was pretty much the first one he played this yr and that's been it. Feth is doing ok I'll give ya that. Not great but he's been ok.

Those 4-5 guys we send to the NFL draft are mostly defensive guys. If Lachey and All don't go pro I don't see anyone from this offense getting drafted do you? I'm worried about what recruits think. The media other programs and especially social media are how those recruits get informed.

It sounds to me like you're comfortable with the status quo. I'm just saying that status quo won't be resulting in wins going forward. Not many at all with how the schedules are going to be. If you want KF and BF back next yr then yeah I suppose rooting for Iowa to win out and get smashed in Indy would result in that and we'll find out if I'm right about next yr or not.
 
But we all know KF is going to retire at some point and most likely in a few years if not after this one. With the state of where the offense is, whose to say it shouldn't happen now if is going happen anyway. I feel now Iowa is at the crossroads with getting decent recruits to commit on the offensive side of the ball. I also realize Iowa has had two coaches in the last 45 years with winning % around .620 which is pretty good at Iowa when looking historically.

I looked at the list of coaches at Iowa and records. There have been 23 other coaches prior to Hayden Fry and most those coaches were only at the helm for 1-5 years, with some around 8 yrs.

People who think everything is just going to be great if we just changed to a new coach need to be careful. Many are not old enough to appreciate the struggles of all the years prior to 1979. Iowa is one bad coaching hire of being the next Indiana or NW, to be honest, especially with the landscape of the conference changing. I also put that into perspective, but again, we know KF will retire at some point so it is coming.

As someone who has experienced entirely too many coaches on this list, I would like to respond to your reference the the pivotal year of 1979.
In '78, Bob Commings was in his 5th year as head coach.
His son was the starting QB - despite better talent on the bench
He continued to run the outdated Wing T as his offense - a run first offense that every opposing coach knew how to stop.
He was quoted every week "we want to establish the running game".
Every week the running game was a disaster, but he continued to run between the tackles regardless of the lack of success.
It was painful to watch.
(stop me if this sounds familiar.....)

Commings is fired / Fry is hired.

Fry famously said: "We're going to run the first play up the middle. I'll ask the band to play 'Thanks for the Memories'. And we will move on."

In '79 the Hawks were a completely different team, More successful, with essentially the same personnel. Hayden found starters who were deep on Commings depth chart. He brought in some JUCO talent where needed. He threw the 25+ year old wing t into the dumpster, and spread the field from side to side.
Most importantly, his offense was unpredictable. We were no longer stubbornly obsessed with running the ball. If the defense stacked the box, we passed. If the defense played pass, we ran the ball,.
Change was exciting and refreshing and revitalized an Iowa program left for dead.
Food for thought.....
 
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Cade fell in their lap with All tied to him at the hip. Do you think it's a sustainable thing that Iowa can continue to get others? Because I don't. What's Brown done so far is he even on the team still? Anderson? Parker? Anderson is the only one playing and his biggest play was pretty much the first one he played this yr and that's been it. Feth is doing ok I'll give ya that. Not great but he's been ok.

Those 4-5 guys we send to the NFL draft are mostly defensive guys. If Lachey and All don't go pro I don't see anyone from this offense getting drafted do you? I'm worried about what recruits think. The media other programs and especially social media are how those recruits get informed.

It sounds to me like you're comfortable with the status quo. I'm just saying that status quo won't be resulting in wins going forward. Not many at all with how the schedules are going to be. If you want KF and BF back next yr then yeah I suppose rooting for Iowa to win out and get smashed in Indy would result in that and we'll find out if I'm right about next yr or not.
I'm fine with status quo because it's yeilding tremendous results for the university of Iowa. I think with NIL and a coaching staff in place that knows who they are and how to win ball games is more than enough to be sustainable. Any recruiter worth his shit is going to be able to recruit talent to a team that plays in the B1G. Iowa has great tradition, resources and boosters in place. That's not going anywhere while Iowa is winning 70% of their games. If the status quo starts not adding up and Iowa is suddenly struggling to win 70% of their games, I will have my pitch fork ready to stand right next to you. But to hope a team that's 11-3 over the last calendar year loses, that's tough man. That's a standard that is a little to high for me based on the history of our program and the reality of where Iowa lands in the pecking order of college football.

I get it, some fans are straight up ruthless and only undefeated is going to quinch that. It's only happened once in 100+ years, let's see if you get the satisfaction you're looking for once you get the changes you want. I will be the first one back on this board to tell you that you were right, I promise.
 
Very weird imo, I get it to a point and I understand the frustrations but Iowa still has a ton to play for this season.

Wrong. At this point all that is on the line is a chance to get absolutely curbstomped in the title game and a second tier bowl game that will prominently feature a bunch of guys who are underclassmen or not good enough to be drafted. Hey, maybe we'll get lucky and we can get that same officiating crew who called the January 1, 2006 Florida game so they can fvck us in the keester one more time.

I appreciate your ability to keep up the rah rah, but games like the one we saw on Saturday are absolutely demoralizing to anyone with a shred of care for the integrity of the game. Most of us are content losing that game 12-10 if that ball was whistled dead when Cooper touched it. But I know MelroseHawkins, he's not a guy who likes to get kicked in the nuts by his own team and then kicked in the nuts by the refs. That's where we are right now.
 
I'm fine with status quo because it's yeilding tremendous results for the university of Iowa.

I have witnessed many systemic collapses firsthand. All of us who grew up in rural Iowa in the '70's, 80's and '90's have seen at least one. The offense that Iowa puts on the field is indicative of impending systemic collapse. The collapse seems slow at first because it is, and in Iowa's case our defense and special teams have staved it off for a few years now. I'm sure we will continue to be strong in those units, but we churned two first rounders off the defense last year and we have monstrous losses after this year. You've seen this movie before. Iowa churns a few key guys and the replacements just aren't ready or aren't nearly as good. You saw it with the d-line in 2005. You saw it with the LBs in 2006 and again in 2010. Our margins of error are just so damned thin because of how bad the offense is and every solid run is sealed with a big play by the defense.

Not a single man on here can look at the offensive line in 80% of the games we have played in the past two seasons and say "yeah, that's a decent Iowa line." The national pundits can point to lack of WR production or the bad QBs and blame that. We know the damned truth. Two yards in the second half against a dogshit Minnesota team. TWO FVCKING YARDS.

I don't think you go out and run Kirk, but his kid has got to go barring an absolutely miraculous turnaround. If this offense isn't in the top 100 (again, I'm not asking for the world here) soon we are going to head straight down the escalator into total irrelevance. I don't need to see any more tape out of Brian to know that such an ask is too tall of an order for him to deliver on.
 
I'm fine with status quo because it's yeilding tremendous results for the university of Iowa. I think with NIL and a coaching staff in place that knows who they are and how to win ball games is more than enough to be sustainable. Any recruiter worth his shit is going to be able to recruit talent to a team that plays in the B1G. Iowa has great tradition, resources and boosters in place. That's not going anywhere while Iowa is winning 70% of their games. If the status quo starts not adding up and Iowa is suddenly struggling to win 70% of their games, I will have my pitch fork ready to stand right next to you. But to hope a team that's 11-3 over the last calendar year loses, that's tough man. That's a standard that is a little to high for me based on the history of our program and the reality of where Iowa lands in the pecking order of college football.

I get it, some fans are straight up ruthless and only undefeated is going to quinch that. It's only happened once in 100+ years, let's see if you get the satisfaction you're looking for once you get the changes you want. I will be the first one back on this board to tell you that you were right, I promise.
Iowa was 5-4 in the B10 last year.
Iowa will be lucky to be 5-4 in the B10 this year.
Iowa was near last in TO in FBS last year.
Iowa will likely be near last in total offense this year.
The success you are admiring in the rearview mirror is farther than it appears.
While the car is heading off a cliff.
 
Wrong. At this point all that is on the line is a chance to get absolutely curbstomped in the title game and a second tier bowl game that will prominently feature a bunch of guys who are underclassmen or not good enough to be drafted. Hey, maybe we'll get lucky and we can get that same officiating crew who called the January 1, 2006 Florida game so they can fvck us in the keester one more time.

I appreciate your ability to keep up the rah rah, but games like the one we saw on Saturday are absolutely demoralizing to anyone with a shred of care for the integrity of the game. Most of us are content losing that game 12-10 if that ball was whistled dead when Cooper touched it. But I know MelroseHawkins, he's not a guy who likes to get kicked in the nuts by his own team and then kicked in the nuts by the refs. That's where we are right now.
To say "Wrong", I would hope that you are level headed enough to know that I am not even remotely "wrong". There's a West trophy still this season right? It's on the line and Iowa can still win it right? As an Iowa fan I want to win the last West Trophy. MN and WI both still have to play TOSU. We own the tiebreaker over WI. Iowa has a lot to play for still. Some unsolicited advice though, save your "wrongs" for when someone is actually wrong about something and it will be more impactful.

JFC - I don't give a shit what we lose by in the championship game, to NOT want to get there cause you're scared of the score ...as a Hawkeye fan, that is sooo soft.
 
Iowa was 5-4 in the B10 last year.
Iowa will be lucky to be 5-4 in the B10 this year.
Iowa was near last in TO in FBS last year.
Iowa will likely be near last in total offense this year.
The success you are admiring in the rearview mirror is farther than it appears.
While the car is heading off a cliff.
lol Iowa is 6-2, this cliff is manageable buddy, its more like a big hill.
 
To say "Wrong", I would hope that you are level headed enough to know that I am not even remotely "wrong". There's a West trophy still this season right? It's on the line and Iowa can still win it right? As an Iowa fan I want to win the last West Trophy. MN and WI both still have to play TOSU. We own the tiebreaker over WI. Iowa has a lot to play for still. Some unsolicited advice though, save your "wrongs" for when someone is actually wrong about something and it will be more impactful.

JFC - I don't give a shit what we lose by in the championship game, to NOT want to get there cause you're scared of the score ...as a Hawkeye fan, that is sooo soft.
Winning the division always has been and always woulda been a 2nd tier participation trophy. Winning the conference and getting to the playoffs should be the goal. Not just the West. And winning the conference has always been damn near a pipe dream with how far away Iowa is from beating OSU, Michigan and PSU lately. You do realize that the winner of the West is at best the 4th team in the conference this yr and several others? How's that something to brag about?
 
To say "Wrong", I would hope that you are level headed enough to know that I am not even remotely "wrong". There's a West trophy still this season right? It's on the line and Iowa can still win it right? As an Iowa fan I want to win the last West Trophy. MN and WI both still have to play TOSU. We own the tiebreaker over WI. Iowa has a lot to play for still. Some unsolicited advice though, save your "wrongs" for when someone is actually wrong about something and it will be more impactful.

JFC - I don't give a shit what we lose by in the championship game, to NOT want to get there cause you're scared of the score ...as a Hawkeye fan, that is sooo soft.
But as Colin Cowturd used to infer in the 2015 season, If Iowa went on to make the BIG Championship game, it would feel like Iowa has been using a fake ID. It just feels like they've been pullin' the wool over people's eyes pulling out wins with a crappy boring and unwatchful offense against crappy conference division teams. It seems like a big lie now and it sucks.

Funny, I've thought about this in the past and the parallel that is there comparing the quality of the watch with Todd Lickliter's offense when he was at Iowa. That boring ass crap got him run as people didn't put up with having to view that crap and wanted a faster pace. Same can be said for Iowa football's offense.
 
I'm fine with status quo because it's yeilding tremendous results for the university of Iowa. I think with NIL and a coaching staff in place that knows who they are and how to win ball games is more than enough to be sustainable. Any recruiter worth his shit is going to be able to recruit talent to a team that plays in the B1G. Iowa has great tradition, resources and boosters in place. That's not going anywhere while Iowa is winning 70% of their games. If the status quo starts not adding up and Iowa is suddenly struggling to win 70% of their games, I will have my pitch fork ready to stand right next to you. But to hope a team that's 11-3 over the last calendar year loses, that's tough man. That's a standard that is a little to high for me based on the history of our program and the reality of where Iowa lands in the pecking order of college football.

I get it, some fans are straight up ruthless and only undefeated is going to quinch that. It's only happened once in 100+ years, let's see if you get the satisfaction you're looking for once you get the changes you want. I will be the first one back on this board to tell you that you were right, I promise.
That's where we really disagree.... If status quo continues you'll see that the winning won't be sustainable. And when the winning begins to decrease the NIL $ and excitement around the program will decrease along with tickets sold and the dominos will begin to fall in recruiting etc... Iowa isn't winning 8 or more games next yr with the schedule they'll have. Hell 6 or 7 might be tough with BF as OC. IDC if they pump up Cade full of steroids to return healthy and strong next yr. As much as Qb play has been an issue it's just one of them there's several others and they all start and stop with KF enabling his kid to be running the O.
 

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