How Can A Team Be So Inept On Defense?

[dwghawk]

To be a good defensive team you gotta have players that WANT to play defense the entire game. Iowa just doesn't seem to have players that are willing to do that. Especially when it comes to rebounding on the defensive boards. Teams get way to many second and third shot attempts. Evan a team that just shoots 35% will score enough to beat you when you give them 2 or 3 shots almost every possession.

 

[ssckelley]

It should be obvious to everyone what the problems are, it's the perimeter defense and the lack of a point guard who can stop anybody off the dribble.

Look I get everyone wants the local home town kids to succeed, I do as well, but it's time to take off the kool-aid glasses and be real. JB is not a point guard he gets us by offensively, he is a good passer, but he is not quick enough defensively.

 

[Hawk5656]

How can a coach make a slow player faster to a better position in the zone or man to man? We are the slowest most unathletic team in the conference . It’s his recruiting that’s killing this defense the most .

This is spot on. He has done a horrible job recruiting to that point it makes me wonder if he even really tries anymore on the road.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Easily contactable things like not letting your man beat you baseline don't get better. And like someone else said, hands up to disrupt passing lanes. We have a bunch of long arms that don't get used. It's pathetic because a little bit of correction would get them from terrible to bad, which could have made this season average.

They play zone like my 5th grade team. I'm constantly yelling out there "Hands up!!". Also they talk about as much as them as well.

Side note: We don't play zone all that much, very sporadic. We play 90% man-to-man. There are just a couple teams with size we know they don't shoot as well outside.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

After Johnson hit the 3rd long range shot,Fran should have put a small quicker defender on him. Fronted him so he couldnt catch and shoot so easily. I know we might give up back door but thats just worth 2. Might have had help down low but not good at that either. And after further thought I just remembered we dont have that kinda player who could pull that off.

Gawd, where's Jon Lickliter when you need him.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

There are position responsibilities in the zone defense they play, that they fail at. They dont play with their hands up, they don't play with their butts to the base line, and they don't communicate. It's one thing to fail to coach one defense correctly. It's another thing to implement 2 or 3 defenses and fail to coach any of them correctly.
Let's take a group with limited athleticism, fail to correctly coach them, refuse to hold them accountable and confuse them too.
Because...why not?

This is what my point of when started this thread. How can they suck at everything they try to do on D. One would think they could master and be effective with at least one.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Some defenses are designed to let players take the base line dribble, rather than allow them to get in the middle of the lane.

Agree.

 

[HawksMN]

I've moved on from Fran....

 

[PCHawk]

It should be obvious to everyone what the problems are, it's the perimeter defense and the lack of a point guard who can stop anybody off the dribble.

Look I get everyone wants the local home town kids to succeed, I do as well, but it's time to take off the kool-aid glasses and be real. JB is not a point guard he gets us by offensively, he is a good passer, but he is not quick enough defensively.

So don't you mean he's not a D1 basketball player then? It doesn't matter what position he plays on defense.

 

[NikeHawk21]

Pretty simple.

1. Lack of athleticism
2. Lack of positioning (some of that due to youth, most of it due to poor coaching)
3. Lack of effort

 

[PCHawk]

Pretty simple.

1. Lack of athleticism
2. Lack of positioning (some of that due to youth, most of it due to poor coaching)
3. Lack of effort

I'm not sure if you put those in order or not, but I might completely switch that order.

 

[NikeHawk21]

I'm not sure if you put those in order or not, but I might completely switch that order.

Agreed. Was going to add, effort can help minimize the other two things, and positioning can minimize the lack of athleticism.

 

[Kennyfromminne]

Train wreck is what this is. Fran couldnt run a one hole shit house. The team and coaches have packed up shop.

 

[earlkoppelman]

Pretty simple.

1. Lack of athleticism
2. Lack of positioning (some of that due to youth, most of it due to poor coaching)
3. Lack of effort

CW situation at EURO tour is part defense problem ect ect. Talking will be great starting POINT.

 

[HawkMD2007]

Gawd, where's Jon Lickliter when you need him.

There will be two on the team soon, assuming Fran stays of course.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Pretty simple.

1. Lack of athleticism
2. Lack of positioning (some of that due to youth, most of it due to poor coaching)
3. Lack of effort

I'm in disagreement with some on here. I don't think it's a lack of athleticism with most on the team. I mean these players were 4* players so I presume other schools thought highly of them as well. They have enough athleticism to score enough. Mid major teams are full of player's less athletic than many on this team, and many of them are successful. It's just to easy for people to blurt out it's recruiting or lack of athleticism.

Now I'll give you the point that we do lack athleticism in one key position, that is a lock down defender who can keep a guy in front of him or close out on the best 3 pt shooter, but it's not the entire team. It's that defending specialist/PG this team needs. But, overall there is enough talent.

It really is lack of fundamentals (talking on D, hands up in the zone, etc.) and discipline. The ingredients to succeed are there though, IMO.

 

[NikeHawk21]

I'm in disagreement with some on here. I don't think it's a lack of athleticism with most on the team. I mean these players were 4* players so I presume other schools thought highly of them as well. They have enough athleticism to score enough. Mid major teams are full of player's less athletic than many on this team, and many of them are successful. It's just to easy for people to blurt out it's recruiting or lack of athleticism.

Now I'll give you the point that we do lack athleticism in one key position, that is a lock down defender who can keep a guy in front of him or close out on the best 3 pt shooter, but it's not the entire team. It's that defending specialist/PG this team needs. But, overall their is enough talent.

It really is lack of fundamentals (talking on D, hands up in the zone, etc.) and discipline. The ingredients to succeed are there though, IMO.

We lack athleticism that much is very obvious. Part of the reason for that is how many Bigs we play.

Here is how I would rank our top 7 guys in terms of minutes for athleticism at their position.

1. JBo (well below average)
2. Cook (above average)
3. Moss (average)
4. Baer (below average to average)
5. Garza (well below average)
6. Pemsl (well below average)
7. Nunge (at the 3- below average)

 

[MelroseHawkins]

We lack athleticism that much is very obvious. Part of the reason for that is how many Bigs we play.

Here is how I would rank our top 7 guys in terms of minutes for athleticism at their position.

1. JBo (well below average)
2. Cook (above average)
3. Moss (average)
4. Baer (below average to average)
5. Garza (well below average)
6. Pemsl (well below average)
7. Nunge (at the 3- below average)

I disagree. Just because a team isn't playing well, you can't state is lack of athleticism. I give Bohannon has difficulty staying with guys, yes. It really comes down to scheming and coaching, to be honest. To blame it on that is just plucking low hanging fruit. You guys are the same people that will say a college QB going to the NFL doesn't have a very strong arm, because that is what every analyst says because it makes it sound like you know what you are talking about. Again, low hanging fruit to pick.

You can't tell me these same guys coached by Izzo to play defense wouldn't be successful. Why didn't you have Wagner on that list. He's athletic but still gets beat on defense just like the others above. All these guys would eat up any average HS player. These are the athletic guys. Cook's athletic (you point out), but, he gets beat like the others, Why? Because of bad rotation or positioning. He shouldn't front players. He should be making them play in front of him where he can disrupt them with his athleticism. It is scheming and coaching these "athletes".

 

[HawkGold]

I disagree. Just because a team isn't playing well, you can't state is lack of athleticism. I give Bohannon has difficulty staying with guys, yes. It really comes down to scheming and coaching, to be honest. To blame it on that is just plucking low hanging fruit. You guys are the same people that will say a college QB going to the NFL doesn't have a very strong arm, because that is what every analyst says because it makes it sound like you know what you are talking about. Again, low hanging fruit to pick.

You can't tell me these same guys coached by Izzo to play defense wouldn't be successful. Why didn't you have Wagner on that list. He's athletic but still gets beat on defense just like the others above. All these guys would eat up any average HS player. These are the athletic guys. Cook's athletic (you point out), but, he gets beat like the others, Why? Because of bad rotation or positioning. He shouldn't front players. He should be making them play in front of him where he can disrupt them with his athleticism. It is scheming and coaching these "athletes".

More successful? Yes. Highly successful? No. As I keep mentioning, some of you need to watch HS basketball in other states up close. The speed differential is amazing.

JW looks good and I have no qualms about him being good. However, he just doesn't play against speed much in HS. He'll have an adjustment to make from having the game flow to him rather than being a part of the flow of the game.

 

[NikeHawk21]

I disagree. Just because a team isn't playing well, you can't state is lack of athleticism. I give Bohannon has difficulty staying with guys, yes. It really comes down to scheming and coaching, to be honest. To blame it on that is just plucking low hanging fruit. You guys are the same people that will say a college QB going to the NFL doesn't have a very strong arm, because that is what every analyst says because it makes it sound like you know what you are talking about. Again, low hanging fruit to pick.

You can't tell me these same guys coached by Izzo to play defense wouldn't be successful. Why didn't you have Wagner on that list. He's athletic but still gets beat on defense just like the others above. All these guys would eat up any average HS player. These are the athletic guys. Cook's athletic (you point out), but, he gets beat like the others, Why? Because of bad rotation or positioning. He shouldn't front players. He should be making them play in front of him where he can disrupt them with his athleticism. It is scheming and coaching these "athletes".

Lol. I Literally stated three reasons why Iowa was so inept in defense. Athleticism is most certainly one of them. Very easy to see when you watch Iowa play. Lack of athleticism can be made up for by effort and positioning, we don’t have either of those either.