Hear me out, we have enough data to look at here

[InGoodCo]

It's not Iowa bouncing them out of the top 25 - it's the fact those teams cumulatively had 4 or 5 losses on the year and thus ultimately weren't considered one of the top 25 teams when evaluating their seasons.

So in 2021, for instance, you think wins against 2-10 Indiana and 7-6 Iowa State (both ranked at the time Iowa beat them) are a better measure for evaluation?

no, there are outliers for any argument, everyone can point to 1 fucking game, the Indiana game, where they came in highly ranked and then TANKED the rest of the year. Good job, you have 1 game on your side. If ISU had got 8-5 instead of 7-6 they likely are in the top 25 or getting votes. The reason this doesn't hold a ton a weight for me is, let's face it, Iowa doesn't face too many "ranked" teams early in the season very often.

Iowa absolutely knocked USC, KY and BC out of the top 25 rankings. They absolutely knocked #25 WI out of the rankings beating them last game of the season in 2020. Same with IL - 2nd to last game in 2020 - they were ranked #24.

that stat does almost nothing for me.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

The thing I like most about Brian…. During his tenure, the bar has been raised to 9-3. There were decades before him there were so many years 8 wins was the ceiling. I’m looking at this season and think Iowa will be favored in all but 1 or 2 games. That’s not something that always happened under past OCs.

That is a very good observation and point my friend. Never thought of that.

Expectations certainly have been raised. Coaches know there is a risk with winning. See Dan McCarney.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

no, there are outliers for any argument, everyone can point to 1 fucking game, the Indiana game, where they came in highly ranked and then TANKED the rest of the year. Good job, you have 1 game on your side. If ISU had got 8-5 instead of 7-6 they likely are in the top 25 or getting votes. The reason this doesn't hold a ton a weight for me is, let's face it, Iowa doesn't face too many "ranked" teams early in the season very often.

Iowa absolutely knocked USC, KY and BC out of the top 25 rankings. They absolutely knocked #25 WI out of the rankings beating them last game of the season in 2020. Same with IL - 2nd to last game in 2020 - they were ranked #24.

that stat does almost nothing for me.

Also, with these teams early in the season one would have to think they are getting the opposing teams best game and effort as they have no idea how their season is going to play out at that point.

It isn't like they are 2/3rds the way into the season with a 3-4 record and mentally out of it.

 

[InGoodCo]

I personally think there is a direct correlation between Iowa's winning percentage and when BF became a bigger voice within the program. I am not even trying to be a BF apologist, it's just kind of like, true if you just look at the bottom line of W/L's.

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

no, there are outliers for any argument, everyone can point to 1 fucking game, the Indiana game, where they came in highly ranked and then TANKED the rest of the year. Good job, you have 1 game on your side. If ISU had got 8-5 instead of 7-6 they likely are in the top 25 or getting votes. The reason this doesn't hold a ton a weight for me is, let's face it, Iowa doesn't face too many "ranked" teams early in the season very often.

Iowa absolutely knocked USC, KY and BC out of the top 25 rankings. They absolutely knocked #25 WI out of the rankings beating them last game of the season in 2020. Same with IL - 2nd to last game in 2020 - they were ranked #24.

that stat does almost nothing for me.

Not sure I am following your logic. Iowa has finished in the top 25 in four of those years, which often included losses to schools like Wisconsin and Northwestern. So those teams beating Iowa didn't "knock" Iowa out of the rankings. The fact is Iowa had good enough seasons those four years that, despite losses to conference rivals, they were still judged to be a top 25 team.

Finishing in the top 25 is a decent assessment of the overall quality of that team. I'm sure there are a ton of other good measures to use, but it seems like a far better indicator than where a team was ranked in a single week of the season.

You don't think it's odd that a team that's been ranked 4 out of the last 6 years at the end of the season, would only be 2-15 or whatever against other teams ranked at the end of the year? I'd think it'd be a lot closer to .500, don't you?

The point is, I sort of agree with you about Brian. I think he's carrying out exactly what Kirk wants. And in the 6 years he's been OC, that seems to be about limiting risk more than ever. Which has generally worked out great for Iowa (per your point about winning percentage), but I maybe wonder about how much that's limited upside in beating the best teams on their schedule every year (as indicated by how those teams finish once the dust settles).

 

[CP87]

It's not Iowa bouncing them out of the top 25 - it's the fact those teams cumulatively had 4 or 5 losses on the year and thus ultimately weren't considered one of the top 25 teams when evaluating their seasons.

So in 2021, for instance, you think wins against 2-10 Indiana and 7-6 Iowa State (both ranked at the time Iowa beat them) are a better measure for evaluation?

I get your point with those 2 examples, but we also have to consider that Iowa absolutely broke Penix and Purdy (and also Tagovailoa) that year. It took those dudes a long time to recover from what Iowa's D did to them. They were seeing ghosts out there for the rest of the season.

 

[CP87]

I get your point with those 2 examples, but we also have to consider that Iowa absolutely broke Penix and Purdy (and also Tagovailoa) that year. It took those dudes a long time to recover from what Iowa's D did to them. They were seeing ghosts out there for the rest of the season.

Oh yeah, and PSU's backup QB, ended that poor kid's PSU career.

Unfortunately, didn't have much effect on Aidan O'Connell, and our offense was so inept vs. Wisconsin that even Graham Mertz got the best of us.

 

[SCHawkeye2]

I think you gotta look at the time when they played teams rankings. I get the end of the year thing, but then you are losing out on a ton of teams that Iowa likely knocked out of the final rankings in Bowl Games or down the stretch of seasons, like MN and WI. For example, in 2017 - both BC and Iowa came into that game just outside the top 25. Iowa beat them, and Iowa was in the final poll and BC wasn't. Does that mean they weren't top 25? Ok, sure.

in 2020, they beat #25 WI in the final game of the season and that likely bounced them out of the final polls

In 2019 - they beat #22 USC in their bowl game which knocked USC out of the final rankings.

Last season they beat KY - who would have likely been ranked had they lost that game in the final AP.

I don't put much stock in that 2-15 # as it's not real objective when you have a team like Iowa bouncing out a ton of these teams from the top 25

If you can find 14 more wins against "hypothetical" Top 25 teams, we'll have a hypothetical winning record against Top 25 teams.

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

If you can find 14 more wins against "hypothetical" Top 25 teams, we'll have a hypothetical winning record against Top 25 teams.

And you'd also have to consider the hypothetical losses. Like years that lost Iowa to a ranked at the time Wisconsin team, but then Northwestern gave Wisconsin a late season loss to knock Wisconsin out of the final rankings....that'd be another defeat to a ranked team for Iowa, right?

 

[InGoodCo]

If you can find 14 more wins against "hypothetical" Top 25 teams, we'll have a hypothetical winning record against Top 25 teams.

Yeah, in this scenario and with how many things can happen, injuries etc.... Like when Iowa plays WI, they might not even be the same team by the end of the season. Same with ISU. It's more hypothetical sticking to your rigid set of guidelines. Iowa bounced all of those teams out of the 25, that doesn't suddenly make them unworthy of a top 25 ranking, they got beat by another team that was in the same ball park as they were ranking wise who likely took their spot in the top 25 the following week. There's nothing "hypothetical" about it at all. Just because a team crosses some mythical line of 25 doesn't do much for me.

I really only care about Iowa's actual W/L record anyways, and I put more weight on where the team was when they beat them. Every team is playing cup cakes and games against harder teams are, well, harder. I would say in your scenario with Indiana that season, it was an outlier vs the norm. The stat you're throwing around is almost worthless IMO, but that's just my opinion. I'd be more curious of how many teams with winning records vs not but that's just me.

 

[InGoodCo]

For anyone wondering what the actual real stat is, Iowa is 9-11 vs ranked teams with BF as our OC.

Better than I thought it would be actually.

 

[HuckFinn]

For anyone wondering what the actual real stat is, Iowa is 9-11 vs ranked teams with BF as our OC.

Better than I thought it would be actually.

Would not have guessed that one. Thanks.

 

[InGoodCo]

If you can find 14 more wins against "hypothetical" Top 25 teams, we'll have a hypothetical winning record against Top 25 teams.

Also, I can think of several times where Iowa beat a team that wasn't ranked at the time but they ended up in the final top 25, if that makes sense. Like 2018 - Iowa beat ISU 13-3, ISU was # 24 to end that season, but WAS not ranked at the time they played. That game is definitely not factored in that 2-15 over the last 17 vs ranked team stats, because I already know what the 2 are that are in that #.

Without looking too far into it, I would be willing to bet that is the case more than a few other times as well. Hypothetically speaking.

 

[SCHawkeye2]

For anyone wondering what the actual real stat is, Iowa is 9-11 vs ranked teams with BF as our OC.

Better than I thought it would be actually.

Is this 9-11 record against end-of-year top 25 teams?
Or ranked at the time Iowa played them?

 

[InGoodCo]

Is this 9-11 record against end-of-year top 25 teams?
Or ranked at the time Iowa played them?

Ranked when Iowa played them, but I can already find teams that Iowa played that WERE not ranked at the time they played, but ended up ranked in the final polls that are not in your 2-15 record....so it appears that record is only rewarding losses to teams that end up ranked and not counting all teams they played that weren't ranked at the time but ended up in the top 25 - cause I've already found 4, with the 2018 ISU team being one of them.

2018 ISU - Iowa beat them - they ended up # 24
2018 TOSU - Iowa beat them they ended up # 5
2018 - Miss State- Iowa beat them, they ended up #18

I'll find the other one when I have more time but that stat isn't even factual

 

[InGoodCo]

Also, I don’t know why we’re still discussing this, if Iowa beats a team it greatly depreciates that team from being ranked in the top 25 at the end of a season, especially when that win happened. Top 25 teams only lose 3 or 4 games a year: It’s a really bad stat that carries almost no weight. Iowa beating a lot of teams knocks them from the top 25. Had Iowa lost those games it would just be another # to count in your loss pile, but since they won it, they don’t count at all? Ya gotta see that. That’s pretty easy to understand

 

[SCHawkeye2]

Ranked when Iowa played them, but I can already find teams that Iowa played that WERE not ranked at the time they played, but ended up ranked in the final polls that are not in your 2-15 record....so it appears that record is only rewarding losses to teams that end up ranked and not counting all teams they played that weren't ranked at the time but ended up in the top 25 - cause I've already found 4, with the 2018 ISU team being one of them.

2018 ISU - Iowa beat them - they ended up # 24
2018 TOSU - Iowa beat them they ended up # 5
2018 - Miss State- Iowa beat them, they ended up #18

I'll find the other one when I have more time but that stat isn't even factual

None of what you claim is true.

2018 ISU - Iowa beat them - they ended up # 24
ISU did not end up in the Top 25.

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2018 - Miss State- Iowa beat them, they ended up #18
MSU did not end up in the Top 25.

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2018 TOSU - Iowa beat them they ended up # 5
OSU ended up #3. Iowa did not play OSU, let alone beat them in 2018.

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[InGoodCo]

None of what you claim is true.

2018 ISU - Iowa beat them - they ended up # 24
ISU did not end up in the Top 25.

2018 AP Poll College Football Rankings, Final Rankings - ESPN

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2018 - Miss State- Iowa beat them, they ended up #18
MSU did not end up in the Top 25.

2018 AP Poll College Football Rankings, Final Rankings - ESPN

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2018 TOSU - Iowa beat them they ended up # 5
OSU ended up #3. Iowa did not play OSU, let alone beat them in 2018.

2018 AP Poll College Football Rankings, Final Rankings - ESPN

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Ok, I meant 2017 TOSU - that was a typo. So, I'll give you that one. My bad and mistake. I was clearly wrong.

We're using different polls on the other 2, so our sources are mixed

Iowa beat ISU in 2018 and they ended up ranked -
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/iowa-state/index.html

Miss St definitely ended up ranked the year Iowa beat them -
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/mississippi-state/index.html

The biggest thing in all this is and the biggest flaw in that stat's logic is you aren't giving Iowa the same credit for wins when Iowa knocks a team out of the ranks. You are ok with counting Iowa losses to teams who were ranked in the top 25 to end a season which is great. But what about the top 25 teams that Iowa beats at the end of the year? What that stats fails to do in return, is recognize that when Iowa beats a team, like say in 2020, when they played # 24 Wisconsin to end the season the same courtesy. Had WI won that game, it's just another in the loss department for Iowa in your 2-15 stat, but since they won, they don't get to add a W in your stat, it just kind of disappears in to the bliss to help continue to bolster that #.

Or like when Iowa beat #22 USC to end the 19 season. Had they lost, you'd go ahead and put that in your 2-15 stat against ranked teams because USC would have moved UP. But they didn't lose, they beat USC, so USC dropped out.

Like this is pretty basic analytics.

 

[BigD]

It's funny when you think about KF. Half the fan bases in college football would say "hell no" to the idea of having him lead their favorite team. In contrast, the other half would welcome him with open arms as a chance for some consistency and to be competitive in every game.

He really has had an interesting coaching career. It really is a paradigm situation.

How many power five teams would tolerate keeping a coach around that hasn’t won a conference title in the last twenty years, AND give him continual pay raises and contract extensions??? Laughable.

Went into the gym yesterday morning. Went over to an older gentleman who was wearing a buckeye shirt. I told him him that he wasn’t allowed to wear that shirt in here! He laughed and we had a good talk about his QB not playing at the level that past buckeye QB’s have played. We talked about the PAC Ten and expansion.

He acknowledged that Iowa has been a solid program over several years. What made me laugh is when he had to ask who is the head coach. Huh?????! He honestly didn’t know. I told him that we have had the same coach for 25 years. When I told him Kurt’s name he still acted like he didn’t know. Maybe Kurt and Byron need to were a grocery bag over their heads like the unknown comedian.

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[InGoodCo]

How many power five teams would tolerate keeping a coach around that hasn’t won a conference title in the last twenty years, AND give him continual pay raises and contract extensions??? Laughable.

Went into the gym yesterday morning. Went over to an older gentleman who was wearing a buckeye shirt. I told him him that he wasn’t allowed to wear that shirt in here! He laughed and we had a good talk about his QB not playing at the level that past buckeye QB’s have played. We talked about the PAC Ten and expansion.

He acknowledged that Iowa has been a solid program over several years. What made me laugh is when he had to ask who is the head coach. Huh?????! He honestly didn’t know. I told him that we have had the same coach for 25 years. When I told him Kurt’s name he still acted like he didn’t know. Maybe Kurt and Byron need to were a grocery bag over their heads like the unknown comedian.

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Iowa comes out on top with KF's contract, they are getting him for a song when you look at what his peers make and what they produce. Huge ROI, that is why Iowa has kept him. Iowa prints money and is one of the best Power 5 programs in the country year in year out. 73-30 since 2015.

How many Power 5 schools fire a guy who has won 70% of his games the last decade? Iowa is tolerating being one of the most cosistent winners in the sport.

It's fucking tough cheering on a team that always wins more then it loses, I get it, and winning does get old and kind of boring after awhile. Its's rough....so I get it.

But with all that said, the biggest issue with Iowa football is your gym partner. I feel for ya and truly sympathize that your buddy at the gym who likely hasn't watched anything outside of Buckeye and Browns games for 40 years doesn't know our coaches name. Get Beth on the line, we have an emergency. Let's go ahead and cut up the contract asap.