Hawks not close to Natty Champ caliber

1hawkeye1 said:
No they aren't. And I doubt they ever will be unless they start handing out cash to players like the national powerhouse teams do. And we both know that isn't going to happen.
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I'm not going to say money doesnt get exchanged, but kids want to play for a winning team.
That said, It blows my mind that a kid would rather ride the pine for 2-3 years and hope he doesnt get recruited over just for a ring than contribute somewhere else for 3-4 years.
 
oldhawk12 said:
You need your head examined. Kf has never had a team (closest was 2002) talented enough to win nationally. The 2002 team was the best example and it was destroyed by usc. The 2015 team, I’m not sure was even a top 20 team as we never played anyone until getting mauled by stanford. Man vs child
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Lmao that anyone would sat the 2015 wasn’t even a Top 20 team. Go sit down in the corner. Stupidest shit I read all day!!!
 
lightning1 said:
Most fans that used to be competitors, want the effort. If the point is to simply field a team, then charge high school prices. If you're going to pay big boy salaries and charge big boy ticket prices, you better be making every effort possible to improve the program. KF does NOT do that and Gutless Gary won't demand it. That's the problem a lot of people have with KF.
I don't care if we ever win a NC but I want to believe that the HC is making every effort to get there. I don't believe that's the case with KF. Not even close.
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I wrote a long winded reply to this weak take, but he has me blocked for a reason. I also don't like to be mean, so I won't try and be. I get being upset with results of the Iowa program, but to call out the effort is laughable for one of the most consistent winning programs in the sport the last 20 years. The only gutless person associated with Iowa athletics is superfan 99 here, Lightning1. Happy New Year
 
Any HC that hires Greg Davis and then Brian Ferentz to be their OC....isn't trying hard enough. Period. End of story.
 
In 2002, Iowa was one half and/or one lucky pass play by OSU against Purdue from playing in the NC game that year.

In 2009, Iowa was one ill-conceived naked bootleg in the end zone from possibly going undefeated, and playing in a NC game that year.

In 2015, Iowa was one stop from making the playoffs that year.

National Championships? No, but let's not make Ferentz's tenure out to be a mess of mediocrity, either. It's fine to be miffed about the misses, I certainly am, but there's credit to be given, too.
 
homes said:
In 2009, Iowa was one ill-conceived naked bootleg in the end zone from possibly going undefeated, and playing in a NC game that year.
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In 2009, each of Alabama and Texas were undefeated. Iowa would not have gotten in the title game over either of those teams. Not to sound like too much of a homer, but had Greene not turned pro after 2008 and they managed to keep Stanzi healthy in 2009, I think that team would have had a punchers chance against either Bama or Texas for the title had it come to that. But that is now about a decade ago and Mr. Saban has really improved Bama to the point where I don't know that anyone in the B1G save for a totally stacked OSU team can even come close to beating them.
 
okeefe4prez said:
In 2009, each of Alabama and Texas were undefeated. Iowa would not have gotten in the title game over either of those teams. Not to sound like too much of a homer, but had Greene not turned pro after 2008 and they managed to keep Stanzi healthy in 2009, I think that team would have had a punchers chance against either Bama or Texas for the title had it come to that. But that is now about a decade ago and Mr. Saban has really improved Bama to the point where I don't know that anyone in the B1G save for a totally stacked OSU team can even come close to beating them.
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Agree with "if Greene and Stanzi are healthy"
Iowa might've gotten into the title game because of sentimentality. The Big 10 was likely seen as superior to the Big 12 and therefore Iowa goes up against Bama.
Would they have won? Well KF did beat Saban early in his career. If they had won the final score would've been something like 28-27.
 
karras said:
Agree with "if Greene and Stanzi are healthy"
Iowa might've gotten into the title game because of sentimentality. The Big 10 was likely seen as superior to the Big 12 and therefore Iowa goes up against Bama.
Would they have won? Well KF did beat Saban early in his career. If they had won the final score would've been something like 28-27.
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Agreed. Those early Bama teams were beatable because they had QB play that was not too dissimilar from Iowa's and Mr. Saban played the game similar to how Kirk did - protect the rock, run it, lean on the defense. Iowa would have had a chance. That was a really good Iowa team that would have matched up well with that vintage of Bama.
 
uihawk82 said:
Face it. I watched clemson but not the second game. ND is damn good and they got manhandled. Clemson loses an all american DTackle and they say his replacement is like the #15 ranked NFL draft number for that position, a non starter. Their wideouts are awesome, they have a great QB with enough wheels to extend plays and pick up key yardage. Superb RBs.

#11 for Clemson was a former safety and now lbkr at about 230 lbs, 6'2"ish and the announcers said he runs a 4.3. Venebles is a crazy good DC and he had #11 spying on QB Book and totally took Notre Dames run game away. Book did little in the run game and their backs did little. And to play a Spy on a QB in a game you have to have 10 other great players.

Iowa has talent, they have enough talent to win the West, even win a Big 10 Champ. But they do not have the talent to beat current teams loaded like Clemson and Bama unless it was a 1 in a 100 stars perfectly aligned combination of Iowa playing perfect and the other team making crazy mistakes. That can happen but the chances are very minimal.

And the worst part of it is the Hawks would have to beat a Clemson in the Semi then beat a Bama type team in the Champ game. That makes it 1 in a 100 times 1 in a 100 or about 1 in 10,000 chance of happening. Ouch.

Tremendous difference in speed and power with these teams. Geez Auburn had 3 receivers on the field at one time who were faster than Rondell Moore of Purdue. How would we cover them?

I hope one day the stars align and we see the hawks in the final four and then at least in the Champ Game.
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Thank you Inspector Clouseau for pointing out the blatantly obvious problem Iowa has had for most of my entire life.

Although I need to correct you as Iowa does not have the talent to win the Big Ten West. (Please see this years conference standings as a good reference point).

To add to what you have stated. Iowa is never going to build to win at the National level. We struggle with the conference as it is, but when we recruit we are only looking to beat the Michigan’s and Ohio State’s. Which is probably the correct approach. When the Walrus in Kansas City (I say that lovingly) is putting a team together he is not trying to figure out he is going to beat the Cowboys (ha ha) in the Super Bowl. It’s what do we need to get past Oakland, Chargers, Denver and other AFC teams. So.... yeah don’t expect a national power team from Iowa anytime soon. We might get a flash in the pan like a couple of years ago, but even that team would have been embarrassed on national television.
 
I think the thing that is most perplexing is how is it that we are a top 5 team in sending players to the NFL, but we are not a top 5 team in competition?
Something about that doesn't add up. Or I can't wrap my head around it.
I get that occasionally an under dog is going to win, but if we have all this NFL talent and we do, why isn't that reflected on the field?
 
lightning1 said:
Any head coach that pulls Greg Davis out of retirement to fill an OC position until his son has enough history to get the job, isn't trying his hardest to get the best OC available for the program. Nobody on this planet can deny that fact! If anyone does, they are a freaking liar.
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I'll agree KF made a mistake in hiring Greg Davis but I don't think it's because he's not trying.
 
ssckelley said:
I'll agree KF made a mistake in hiring Greg Davis but I don't think it's because he's not trying.
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He wasn't trying hard enough. Not trying is not the same thing as not trying hard enough. For 4 million a year, he better be trying hard enough. You better be trying harder than Greg Davis.
 
lightning1 said:
He wasn't trying hard enough. Not trying is not the same thing as not trying hard enough. For 4 million a year, he better be trying hard enough. You better be trying harder than Greg Davis.
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It's probably more that he's not a good judge of offensive coaching talent. Whatever it is I'll disagree that it's because of a lack of effort.
 
ssckelley said:
It's probably more that he's not a good judge of offensive coaching talent. Whatever it is I'll disagree that it's because of a lack of effort.
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No way. How do you even go about settling on a Greg Davis? It's not like Greg Davis contacted KF or put his coaching resume on Monster. I'm pretty sure Greg Davis was selling lumber for 2 years in Austin, when KF called him. Who else did KF interview? Nobody! Not 1 single employed D-1 OC or offensive position coach came to Iowa to interview for that job. I'm sorry but unless I see the list of applicants and the list of coaches interviewed...I'm going to go to my grave believeing that KF didn't try hard enough. And then he doubled down and didn't try at all when he shoe-horned his son into the position. He did what he thought was best for KF. Not what was best for his employer/program.
 
ssckelley said:
It's probably more that he's not a good judge of offensive coaching talent. Whatever it is I'll disagree that it's because of a lack of effort.
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Well and GD did have a pretty good resume.
Just goes to show, you can't always go by that alone.
 
4thngoal said:
I think the thing that is most perplexing is how is it that we are a top 5 team in sending players to the NFL, but we are not a top 5 team in competition?
Something about that doesn't add up. Or I can't wrap my head around it.
I get that occasionally an under dog is going to win, but if we have all this NFL talent and we do, why isn't that reflected on the field?
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Iowa needs to develop 3* players. The developement of those (NFL) players takes 3-5 years. Putting 1-2 players in the NFL isn't going to reflect a top 5 program because the NFL-calibre players are still a year or two from being NFL-calibre players.

While football is still a trenches game, and Iowa does well there, the difference is skill position players and, obviously, Iowa doesn't do well there.

Somebody said if we're not that far off from NC contenders if we plugged a Brad Banks, Tavian Banks, and Marvin McNutt in the skill spots. o_O

yeah....okay. Like Iowa has ever had "once-in-a-generation" players playing all at the same time at the skill spots.
 
lightning1 said:
FIFY
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