Hawkeyes Past, Present, Future Share Feelings on Racial Injustice
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Forcing them to all come to an agreement might also foster a sincere and important discussion among a diverse group of young men. And perhaps at the conclusion of that discussion, along with understanding one another better, they might come to the conclusion that different people should be allowed to express their views individually. That might be a better tack for Ferents: my preference is for the team to present a uniform appearance, but we will discuss it as a team and come to a mutually agreed upon solution.
InGoodCo
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Are you even cognizant of things you type?
"Put your big girl shoes on"
"Stop pussyfooting"
"grow a spine"
take it easy Macho Man Randy Racist, I aint calling for you to be banned. I was in 2018, we reconciled (I thought) but we're pretty much right back where we started. Oh, and I aint backing down from a god damn thing. I was gonna leave, but now I am gonna stick around cause I would enjoy never having to hear a fucking opinion from you ever again.
Fryowa
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Uhhhhhh...ok?
I “ain’t calling for you to get banned,” but “I’m gonna stick around cause I would enjoy never having to hear a fucking opinion from you ever again?”
I’m lost. Help me out.
Macho Man Randy Racist...hmm... after you just said you didn’t think I was a racist. You’re not making a whole lot of sense here. Either you got so mad that you changed your mind, or it finally sunk in when I told you to say what you feel.
InGoodCo
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I’m fine with all that, as long as I’m not a racist F like you.
Fryowa
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But if they don’t come to that conclusion they’ll either be ostracized or forced to go with the group. Neither is good.
InGoodCo
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Yeah, you told me not to hold back. I’m not. You are a racist. It would be best that you not be able to comment anywhere, but I don’t make the rules. You did upset me, cause all you do is attack me, so F your self pussy, let’s go macho man. Biggest racist on HN, the reason people don’t come here cause you attack everyone. Loser
Fryowa
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I don’t remember ever saying a word to you until you posted about me this morning.
And talk about attacking lol.
InGoodCo
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Fry, you fight with every poster on this site. The ones you don't fight with you push, like me, until they can't fucking take it anymore. You are a racist scum bag that has ALWAYS treated people like shit on this site. I bet you've had a MAGNITUDE of complaints on you. Why? Cause you're a fucking dick bag. I was GONNA leave, just pop in and say "Hey Rob, I've been trying to tell you this board is full of ancient racist assholes for years" and I was gonna be on my marry way, but ya know, then you reminded of what an absolute POS you are and now I am here for it. Let's roll racist.
Motigerhawk
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If these players truly want to make a statement, Protest the season and dont play. That would be a shot heard around the world. Kneeling just clouds the message, see Drew Brees. People are going to fall into the message again, you are disrespecting the flag and the military.
It is obvious change will take a long time, too long. Or things wont change at all. But if these athletes, whose voices are heard throughout every facet of society, want to speed up change, do not play.
That would be the greatest statement ever made and would make change happen very fast.
It is obvious change will take a long time, too long. Or things wont change at all. But if these athletes, whose voices are heard throughout every facet of society, want to speed up change, do not play.
That would be the greatest statement ever made and would make change happen very fast.
Fryowa
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I 100% posted that and I admitted it.
What I don’t want is to get held to a different standard that’s anyone else, Rob. I know if there’s hateful intent in my words and if that’s a bannable offense to you then by all means make me the example. It would appease @InGoodCo at the same time, and we both know that’s all we’re going to hear from him from here on out anyway.
One question I do have, is should we go down the cancel culture rabbit hole and find the hundreds of other posts by many, many other people here that could be construed by some people as racist? I think it might be only fair.
kicker22
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My thoughts on the kneeling situation as a 20 year varsity coach. In the past I've always tried to keep controversial topics off the field and the lockerroom as like KF, because like this forum, it can create a platform where there clearly very different opinions that can affect the chemistry of the team. I'd always thought of the field as a safe haven where the political stuff gets left behind and kids can just be kids, a place where real life gets left at the gate and they can escape from their everyday lives and just focus on the sport(s) that they love without the pressures from the outside world.
I say in the past, because I now understand and realize this is so much bigger than sports. Being a successful coach is as much about helping them develop off the field as it is on the field and is an investment of time and energy into the players future on and off the field. I don't want it to be a controlled "pg" rated environment. IF a team models itself as a "family" then family sticks together and doesn't simply look away and ignore something because it makes members uncomfortable. This is a something that cannot be ignored and shouldn't be. Give the athlete(s) the opportunity to use the platform of athletics to take a stand for what they believe in, but do so in a manner in which it is addressed a head of time with the team so they understand what is being done and can decide whether they all want to be part of it.
I say in the past, because I now understand and realize this is so much bigger than sports. Being a successful coach is as much about helping them develop off the field as it is on the field and is an investment of time and energy into the players future on and off the field. I don't want it to be a controlled "pg" rated environment. IF a team models itself as a "family" then family sticks together and doesn't simply look away and ignore something because it makes members uncomfortable. This is a something that cannot be ignored and shouldn't be. Give the athlete(s) the opportunity to use the platform of athletics to take a stand for what they believe in, but do so in a manner in which it is addressed a head of time with the team so they understand what is being done and can decide whether they all want to be part of it.
I get where Brees was coming from. And I get why it irritated many people. I just wish there was a stage where people say, "Drew, I see what you are saying, but listen to how that sounds to me." And then Brees says, "Yeah, I totally see that, it wasn't my intention to offend you, but I am going to try to think about things a bit differently."
That never happens. What Brees said was not awful, but it was insensitive at this time. But people are way more interested in scoring rhetorical points and getting twitter likes than they are in sharing actual thoughts and trying to inform. Better to jump in quick so you can be among the first 1,000 to brand him a racist, rather than to try to interact with him, person to person.
Do you know what someone does when the whole world tries to "gotcha!" them? They dig in. They push back against the attackers. Divides grow wider.
But if someone tries to explain, we might listen. So do you want to score rhetorical points and rally your base, or do you actually want to influence how someone thinks?
Give a listen to this Revisionist History podcast, which Gladwell describes as offering a "master class in the art of dissent."
http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/09-generous-orthodoxy
InGoodCo
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Oh yah, you can count on me to never let ya live it down now. I don’t need ya banned to be here, it would be a lot more fun for me if I could remind everyone what absolute trash you are on the reg
Agreed, the likely outcome. If someone feels very strongly about standing for the anthem (as I am sure many do), perhaps they kneel for game 1 in a show of solidarity with their teammates, and then stand thereafter. If they cannot come to a mutual understanding and respect difference of opinion on a matter like that, we might be doomed when it comes to anything of real importance.
Agree that it would be a powerful statement, and that it would lead to some response. But when you say "change would happen very fast", what exactly do you mean? Because it certainly is not going to fix the problem of systemic racism. Like all other complex problems, the solution is not simple and obvious, if it was, it would be fixed by now.
The country and white people (most of them) have not been actively trying to suppress black people. There has not been someone with his finger on the "racism" button, and all of a sudden we ask him to take it off. Rather, systems created over the course of the last several hundred years have created this imbalance. And white people either did not care enough about the pight of black people to try to upend these systems and create disorder in their lives, or they did not believe the plight of black people, or they did not want to lose the privileges they had been affored, or what have you. But how do you rework systems built up over centuries in short order?
I think the George Floyd incident, and the civil unrest across the country, will create an unprecedented urge to work toward a solution, but I think many people will be very frustrated when 5 years from now, progress has remained slow.
And I have no idea what the initial steps would even be. If anyone has information to share on a potential roadmap toward a better place, I would be interested in reading what people are proposing.
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