Hawkeyes Past, Present, Future Share Feelings on Racial Injustice

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@Fryowa I am not calling you a racist



What you said that day, was indeed, incredibly racist
Jesus Henry Mother Of God Christ...

You're so gd flaky, man.

Tell me to "own it?" I'll own the intent or lack thereof of my words. Nothing more, nothing less. Life is too short for me to cave into what you think my intent was just because someone threatens to "out" or "cancel" me.

So you "own it." Put your big girl shoes on, and tell me I'm racist. Stop pussyfooting around. I know in my mind whether or not I have hate or disrespect or prejudice for people and I have a clear conscience with myself. That's all I need and it's all you should need too. If I thought I had any of those things in my heart I'd feel bad and I'd say so. I admit fault and shortcoming all the time...here and in my personal life. There have been myriad posters here who've run from things they posted (I could give examples for days), posters who have gotten liquored-up and come back to apologize the next day, people who have been busted editing posts to walk back what they say...I've done none of that. I've never run away from anything I said here or denied it. Not once.

But for the love of Pete, grow a spine and stand up for what you think. It's like a little kid who wants the BandAid off but he's afraid to rip it. You'll feel better. Just say it.
 
Screw it. Here's my story. My mom was divorced with 2 kids bu the time she was 21. Around 10 a step dad came into the picture that made finances better but life in general way worse. He wasnt the most abusive guy in the world but it was pretty bad. They moved away as soon as I graduated high school, leaving me to find my way with no help at all. I wanted to go to school but had no idea how to do it or pay for it. I stumbled across a trade and took the one thing I learned from my step dad (going to work every day) and turned it into a profession where I make pretty good money. You could argue that I had white privilege because i ended up with a step dad who sucked balls and taught me work ethic by example, but in my opinion thay argument would be racist if you try to make it. Maybe guys like me are more triggered at the term then others, but I'm equally sure there are black guys out there who worked their asses off who are triggered by it too. It's easy to grow up with white privilege and condemn others for not believing in it. It's a lit harder to grow up with no privilege at all and still recognize it. Especially when you've dedicated your whole life to breaking the family mold of waiting for handouts.

Just because you were disadvantaged in many ways, that does not eliminate the fact that you were advantaged by the color of your skin.

There can be a black man who grows up with many advantages across many different dimensions, but he still deals with the disadvantage of his skin color.

White privilege does not negate all you have accomplished, nor does it condemn your character. But it is a fact of life in this country (and many others). Try to take a step back from your own emotional reaction to the term (I tend to have the same reaction), and just listen to what black people are saying about their lives. And whenever you find yourself saying, "It can't be that bad, this guy has to be embellishing to gain sympathy or prove a point," notice it, and then think about how you would interpret the same story if it was being told to you by your best, white friend.

Here is part of my own story: I haven't been on my own facebook page for months, but I spent a little time scrolling through stuff this morning. There is this guy (black) I played football with in college, one of the best dudes I know. We are "invite each other to our weddings" close, but not "have each other in our wedding-parties" close. But he is the kind of guy that is so caring, thoughtful, talented, etc. that I feel a bit inferior at times when I compare myself to him. Again, just a good dude.

So this guys writes out a thoughtful, carefully crafted piece on how this latest incident has affected him more than any of the previous, and how it has really made him reflect on being black in America. And he was talking about all of the things he worries about, from picking his jogging routes to making sure he has a plan in case he is pulled over to how he is perceived when he coaches his mostly white athletes at an Iowa high school.

My first thought when reading this: "Come on, it can't be that bad, this is Iowa for Pete's sake, we're friendly to everyone!" I had to catch myself. Why would I distrust what this guy is saying? Of all the good people I know, he is right up there. But my natural tendency was to disbelieve. Because if there are a lot of crappy aspects to being black, that is an indictment on my country, on my race, and on me...and that doesn't feel good.

I think we need to face the pain that comes with the realization that we have failed in some ways as humans. For most it was not malicious, and human failure does not make any of us unique (rather it bonds us with another 8 billion or so on this planet). But that realization is going to help us to start listening without judging, and to treat others as we want to be treated.
 
Rob, what are your thoughts on kneeling?

Do you feel Ferentz should discourage an individual or small group from kneeling if the rest of the team wasn't also doing so? I think that's what Kirk is implying here in a way. I also glean from his answer that he'd rather avoid having a football game be for a platform like that whether it's because of distraction, or controversy, etc. Do you disagree with Kirk here?
 
Jesus Henry Mother Of God Christ...

You're so gd flaky, man.

Tell me to "own it?" I'll own the intent or lack thereof of my words. Nothing more, nothing less. Life is too short for me to cave into what you think my intent was just because someone threatens to "out" or "cancel" me.

So you "own it." Put your big girl shoes on, and tell me I'm racist. Stop pussyfooting around. I know in my mind whether or not I have hate or disrespect or prejudice for people and I have a clear conscience with myself. That's all I need and it's all you should need too. If I thought I had any of those things in my heart I'd feel bad and I'd say so. I admit fault and shortcoming all the time...here and in my personal life. There have been myriad posters here who've run from things they posted (I could give examples for days), posters who have gotten liquored-up and come back to apologize the next day, people who have been busted editing posts to walk back what they say...I've done none of that. I've never run away from anything I said here or denied it. Not once.

But for the love of Pete, grow a spine and stand up for what you think. It's like a little kid who wants the BandAid off but he's afraid to rip it. You'll feel better. Just say it.

I said what I want to say, you're a dick without question. I aint afraid to say literally anything to you. Get over yourself. I didn't threaten to out you. I fucking did. I don't get all the machismo macho bullshit you are trying to blast me with but you're literally to big of dip shit to really give any more time to. Have a great summer F head.

That better?
 
Screw it. Here's my story. My mom was divorced with 2 kids bu the time she was 21. Around 10 a step dad came into the picture that made finances better but life in general way worse. He wasnt the most abusive guy in the world but it was pretty bad. They moved away as soon as I graduated high school, leaving me to find my way with no help at all. I wanted to go to school but had no idea how to do it or pay for it. I stumbled across a trade and took the one thing I learned from my step dad (going to work every day) and turned it into a profession where I make pretty good money. You could argue that I had white privilege because i ended up with a step dad who sucked balls and taught me work ethic by example, but in my opinion thay argument would be racist if you try to make it. Maybe guys like me are more triggered at the term then others, but I'm equally sure there are black guys out there who worked their asses off who are triggered by it too. It's easy to grow up with white privilege and condemn others for not believing in it. It's a lit harder to grow up with no privilege at all and still recognize it. Especially when you've dedicated your whole life to breaking the family mold of waiting for handouts.

Just because you were disadvantaged in many ways, that does not eliminate the fact that you were advantaged by the color of your skin.

There can be a black man who grows up with many advantages across many different dimensions, but he still deals with the disadvantage of his skin color.

White privilege does not negate all you have accomplished, nor does it condemn your character. But it is a fact of life in this country (and many others). Try to take a step back from your own emotional reaction to the term (I tend to have the same reaction), and just listen to what black people are saying about their lives. And whenever you find yourself saying, "It can't be that bad, this guy has to be embellishing to gain sympathy or prove a point," notice it, and then think about how you would interpret the same story if it was being told to you by your best, white friend.

Here is part of my own story: I haven't been on my own facebook page for months, but I spent a little time scrolling through stuff this morning. There is this guy (black) I played football with in college, one of the best dudes I know. We are "invite each other to our weddings" close, but not "have each other in our wedding-parties" close. But he is the kind of guy that is so caring, thoughtful, talented, etc. that I feel a bit inferior at times when I compare myself to him. Again, just a good dude.

So this guys writes out a thoughtful, carefully crafted piece on how this latest incident has affected him more than any of the previous, and how it has really made him reflect on being black in America. And he was talking about all of the things he worries about, from picking his jogging routes to making sure he has a plan in case he is pulled over to how he is perceived when he coaches his mostly white athletes at an Iowa high school.

My first thought when reading this: "Come on, it can't be that bad, this is Iowa for Pete's sake, we're friendly to everyone!" I had to catch myself. Why would I distrust what this guy is saying? Of all the good people I know, he is right up there. But my natural tendency was to disbelieve. Because if there are a lot of crappy aspects to being black, that is an indictment on my country, on my race, and on me...and that doesn't feel good.

I think we need to face the pain that comes with the realization that we have failed in some ways as humans. For most it was not malicious, and human failure does not make any of us unique (rather it bonds us with another 8 billion or so on this planet). But that realization is going to help us to start listening without judging, and to treat others as we want to be treated.
@PCHawk there’s a simpler way to get this point across and explain how yes, you are white privileged, even if you think you weren’t as a kid.

Your situation sucked, no doubt.

But...put a black kid in exactly your situation and his experience is going to be much, much different than yours. He’s got all of your home issues, plus all that comes with being black or a minority on top of it. There’s literally no situation where, all other things equal, a black person is as advantaged as you.

That’s white privilege.
 
Rob, what are your thoughts on kneeling?

Do you feel Ferentz should discourage an individual or small group from kneeling if the rest of the team wasn't also doing so? I think that's what Kirk is implying here in a way. I also glean from his answer that he'd rather avoid having a football game be for a platform like that whether it's because of distraction, or controversy, etc. Do you disagree with Kirk here?

I do. And that's what I was saying in my Tweet. I would like more info.

How will they decide whether to all stand or all kneel? Team vote. What if it's decided by one vote or just a few votes? How do the large group of players wanting to kneel feel?

It's a peaceful protest from college students that are not professional players. For most of them, this will be the biggest platform in their lives.

Maybe none of them will want to kneel. I don't know. And if that's the case, all good.

But I think each individual should be given the choice. I get the team sports argument and all, but this is bigger than sports, IMO.
 
Because how is any nationality supposed to get to "upper" middle class with a tax structure like that? So either you are rich and pay a low percentage or you are poor and pay a low percentage. So the entire lower middle class is oppressed. (From 25,000 to 100,000 or there abouts)
Let me ask you this, do you think trailer trash white Joe Dirt gets to drive his trans am in a low speed pursuit down a totally cleared freeway for mile after mile with 50 police cars in pursuit when he is suspected of and wanted for murder?
I bet not. Fact I bet the equivalent of Joe in any nationality doesn't get to.

Well of course Joe Dirt gets picked up and arrested especially if his car etc make him look poor. Yeah being poor is the shits for having good healthcare and getting good legal representation, getting the best schooling, a good diet, etc, and not making bail, and getting thrown in prison. The main thing is not the tax code but to not commit any crimes and hope someone isnt trying to railroad you.
 
Rob, what are your thoughts on kneeling?

Do you feel Ferentz should discourage an individual or small group from kneeling if the rest of the team wasn't also doing so? I think that's what Kirk is implying here in a way. I also glean from his answer that he'd rather avoid having a football game be for a platform like that whether it's because of distraction, or controversy, etc. Do you disagree with Kirk here?

Not Rob, but college players at state universities should be allowed to kneel. It is a form of political speech and the government and its agents, including Kirk Ferentz, shouldn't stop it.

The pre-game kneel is going to become as important as the coin toss and the amount of virtue signalling before that first kickoff of the first game is going to reach epic levels. Joe Buck is going to have a perfectly timed 8 minute and 46 second soliloquy about how he kneels firmly against systemic racism and how he was "pro kneeling before kneeling was cool." Kaepernick's name will be mentioned alongside Thurgood Marshall's in history books in 20 years.
 
I do. And that's what I was saying in my Tweet. I would like more info.

How will they decide whether to all stand or all kneel? Team vote. What if it's decided by one vote or just a few votes? How do the large group of players wanting to kneel feel?

It's a peaceful protest from college students that are not professional players. For most of them, this will be the biggest platform in their lives.

Maybe none of them will want to kneel. I don't know. And if that's the case, all good.

But I think each individual should be given the choice. I get the team sports argument and all, but this is bigger than sports, IMO.

Kneeling will be unanimous. No one is gonna say "nah, I don't want to kneel." It will become a part of the game. Guaranteed.
 
I do. And that's what I was saying in my Tweet. I would like more info.

How will they decide whether to all stand or all kneel? Team vote. What if it's decided by one vote or just a few votes? How do the large group of players wanting to kneel feel?

It's a peaceful protest from college students that are not professional players. For most of them, this will be the biggest platform in their lives.

Maybe none of them will want to kneel. I don't know. And if that's the case, all good.

But I think each individual should be given the choice. I get the team sports argument and all, but this is bigger than sports, IMO.
Having played sports all my life (although not close to this level), my feeling is there will unfortunately be a huge amount of peer pressure. Ferentz giving a de facto disapproval and discouraging individual preference is bad in my opinion.
 
Not that it matters for shit, but it won't be good for recruiting if players are told they can't kneel while being recruited just like that can't use Twitter.
 
Kneeling will be unanimous. No one is gonna say "nah, I don't want to kneel." It will become a part of the game. Guaranteed.
I’m not so sure. Looking at Iowa, we have a heck of a lot of rural kids from Iowa who are deeply conservative.

Give Ike Boettger’s Twitter a perusal. No way that dude kneels if he’s on a Hawkeye team.
 
SIAP but reported that Flint MI and Newark NJ police have left their batons and shields at the police station overall and those two cities have not seen bad riots and looting. Leave the armor and shields and batons at the station, have your sidearm holstered, leave the semi-automatic weapons in the truck, dont set up barricades or stop points, walk along with the peaceful protest on the side or with the protesters but no need to get physical if no one breaking the law.

You are a public safety official first as a cop.

And what would you expect if you whip a kid or a dog??? They would get angry, and then angrier and fight back.
 
SIAP but reported that Flint MI and Newark NJ police have left their batons and shields at the police station overall and those two cities have not seen bad riots and looting. Leave the armor and shields and batons at the station, have your sidearm holstered, leave the semi-automatic weapons in the truck, dont set up barricades or stop points, walk along with the peaceful protest on the side or with the protesters but no need to get physical if no one breaking the law.

You are a public safety official first as a cop.

And what would you expect if you whip a kid or a dog??? They would get angry, and then angrier and fight back.

Nothing against either of those fair cities, but they basically have nothing to destroy. It was all destroyed in the riots in the '60's and the manufacturing base in those places was offshored or moved to the south in the '80's or '90's.
 
For anyone wondering including Rob - This is the exact quote I turned in to this site in 2018

"Jackson should probably just get sent packing. He’s not an Iowa fit, he’d be better off transferring down to the SEC where players can go do the cash-money-hoes thing. I get that he’s a decent lineman but we all know he’s not going to graduate from Iowa nor will he play football his entire career here. And let’s face it, pimpin’ ain’t easy, guys. It’s better to go where it is."


Fry can cry to he's blue in the face that isn't a racist remark, but he's full of shit. I mean, FULL of shit. I called him on it THEN, I call him on it now and he says that I dance around things. Dance around things? We had a 50 page thread of me calling you out for it. I sent like 4 messages to Jon trying to get it removed and hopefully you a long with it.

But keep playing macho homey - maybe you can convince somebody of something someday, but I doubt it.
 
SIAP but reported that Flint MI and Newark NJ police have left their batons and shields at the police station overall and those two cities have not seen bad riots and looting. Leave the armor and shields and batons at the station, have your sidearm holstered, leave the semi-automatic weapons in the truck, dont set up barricades or stop points, walk along with the peaceful protest on the side or with the protesters but no need to get physical if no one breaking the law.

You are a public safety official first as a cop.

And what would you expect if you whip a kid or a dog??? They would get angry, and then angrier and fight back.
This one of those fragile things that just takes one bad apple to destroy, which is why I do t think you see it happening more.

Just like Israel/Palestine...

Everything is peaceful then a kid throws a rock over a wall, then a policeman clubs him, then comes a pistol shot, then a grenade from side A, then a rocket attack from side B, and so on.
 
Well, as fun as this has been....

I'll be back when there is sports to talk about or if I feel like I need any old ass racist remarks flung at me. Catch ya on the flip side.
 
I’m not so sure. Looking at Iowa, we have a heck of a lot of rural kids from Iowa who are deeply conservative.

Give Ike Boettger’s Twitter a perusal. No way that dude kneels if he’s on a Hawkeye team.

They'll kneel. The peer pressure and calls of racism will cause their free will to wilt. Watch the videos of law enforcement and the guard kneeling. They must submit.

Ferentz will not stop it. No way. He'll be called a racist and other coaches will use it to negative recruit him.
 
For anyone wondering including Rob - This is the exact quote I turned in to this site in 2018

"Jackson should probably just get sent packing. He’s not an Iowa fit, he’d be better off transferring down to the SEC where players can go do the cash-money-hoes thing. I get that he’s a decent lineman but we all know he’s not going to graduate from Iowa nor will he play football his entire career here. And let’s face it, pimpin’ ain’t easy, guys. It’s better to go where it is."


Fry can cry to he's blue in the face that isn't a racist remark, but he's full of shit. I mean, FULL of shit. I called him on it THEN, I call him on it now and he says that I dance around things. Dance around things? We had a 50 page thread of me calling you out for it. I sent like 4 messages to Jon trying to get it removed and hopefully you a long with it.

But keep playing macho homey - maybe you can convince somebody of something someday, but I doubt it.
I see it’s still bothering you. Again, like I said in the earlier reply to you, have me banned if you're that upset. I'm not getting worked up no matter how much you want me to. And I don't know what "macho" anything I've said. How would I be "macho?" did I threaten you or say something dumb like I was going to beat you up?

We went through all of this before and nothing has changed other than you're screaming from the rooftop.

If I gotta go I gotta go.
 
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