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PCHawk said:
You must have a pretty good inside source to know your last sentence is true. Us guys without an inside source think it's possible Bohannon got too good to pass up no matter what and maybe we don't have Dailey right now if another point guard recruit would have committed.
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You can look it up, JBO didn't have any other D1 offers. You can also look up all the PG's we offered before him and only when they went elsewhere did we offer JBO. Tony Carr, Xavier Simpson, Charlie Moore, Payton Pritchard, TJ Gibbs, Devonte Green.
This isn't a slight to JBO, he arguably played as good or better than all of these guys listed but JBO was a fallback recruit and Fran hasn't recruited well at the PG position. If he'd recruited well, he'd have gotten option 1-6 or Bohannon would have been up the charts in terms of where he was valued at.
 
BGOLD said:
You can look it up, JBO didn't have any other D1 offers. You can also look up all the PG's we offered before him and only when they went elsewhere did we offer JBO. Tony Carr, Xavier Simpson, Charlie Moore, Payton Pritchard, TJ Gibbs, Devonte Green.
This isn't a slight to JBO, he arguably played as good or better than all of these guys listed but JBO was a fallback recruit and Fran hasn't recruited well at the PG position. If he'd recruited well, he'd have gotten option 1-6 or Bohannon would have been up the charts in terms of where he was valued at.
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If you say Jordan wasn't highly rated and was a fallback, then what about Mike? He was Frans #1 target and a top 100 kid. He really has brought in 2 PG recruits and one was the #1 target and highly rated and the other not so much. So that isn't awful PG recruiting by any means.
 
No doubt Bohannon started out a fallback recruit. The question is, did Fran still see him as one when he offered, or had Bohannon proved he was worth of a scholarship (and maybe even more so worth one than some of the guys he originally wanted) to make him offer. If it was the first option, we wouldn't have ever offered him if Fran signed someone else. If it was the second option, Fran would have still offered him if we got someone else first and there would have never been a scholarship for Dailey.

To put it another way, Fran will always have a pecking order for the kids he wants, but that pecking order doesn't always stay the same. There is no doubt at one point Bohannon was pretty far down the pecking order. But by the time Fran offered, maybe he had risen to the top. Or at least close to it. None of us know for sure.
 
I think Bohannon was a combination of a late bloomer and an instate kid without a lot of offers. You dont offer a kid like that as early as you might offer an out of state kid with maybe the same talent because you have to build relationships earlier with out of state kids (because you already have them with the in state kids). If Bohannon was out of state and half of the other kids on that list were in state, who knows who would have gotten offered first.
 
Another thing is most coaches would just scoop an in state kid like Bohannon up right away and call it a day. I think it's pretty cool that Fran doesn't just settle for the in state kid until he has exhausted better options or the kid becomes a no brainer. Kinda like the kid this thread i about.
 
PCHawk said:
I think Bohannon was a combination of a late bloomer and an instate kid without a lot of offers. You dont offer a kid like that as early as you might offer an out of state kid with maybe the same talent because you have to build relationships earlier with out of state kids (because you already have them with the in state kids). If Bohannon was out of state and half of the other kids on that list were in state, who knows who would have gotten offered first.
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The timing of the offer and commitment just proves it had nothing to do with his play or being a late bloomer. He didn't get offered after a tournament or anything actually he didn't even get offered until a month after his last game.
 
Hawk5656 said:
The timing of the offer and commitment just proves it had nothing to do with his play or being a late bloomer. He didn't get offered after a tournament or anything actually he didn't even get offered until a month after his last game.
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It insinuates that. It doesn't prove it.
 
Hawk5656 said:
He got offered because we exhausted the previous options. You don't offer someone at the end of August because of their play, you offer because of who you missed out on.
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Charlie Moore was still available when Fran offered and accepted Jordan's commitment. So once again you are wrong and don't know shat.

Winston, and Pritchard were never coming to Iowa. Of the rest of them, Jordan had the best Fr year, and I'm especially glad we didn't get Jackson, he looks like a bust.
 
deanvogs said:
Charlie Moore was still available when Fran offered and accepted Jordan's commitment. So once again you are wrong and don't know shat.

Winston, and Pritchard were never coming to Iowa. Of the rest of them, Jordan had the best Fr year, and I'm especially glad we didn't get Jackson, he looks like a bust.
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What about that other kid? Vital or something like that?
 
Whoa. I'm a big Bohannon fan (was before the season started last year), but let's be honest here. He most definitely was a fallback recruit, at least in Fran's pick of the litter.
 
deanvogs said:
If you say Jordan wasn't highly rated and was a fallback, then what about Mike? He was Frans #1 target and a top 100 kid. He really has brought in 2 PG recruits and one was the #1 target and highly rated and the other not so much. So that isn't awful PG recruiting by any means.
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That's 2 PG's in 7 years. Bohannon played well but you'd like to think you'd have another PG competent enough where he wouldn't be forced into a starter role as a freshman, Williams isn't that. MG was highly ranked, he finished his career averaging 8ppg with a fg% of 39% and 31% from 3. Those aren't numbers you expect from a 4*. So yea, Fran did secure one highly ranked PG but he certainly didn't meet expectations.
 
BGOLD said:
That's 2 PG's in 7 years. Bohannon played well but you'd like to think you'd have another PG competent enough where he wouldn't be forced into a starter role as a freshman, Williams isn't that. MG was highly ranked, he finished his career averaging 8ppg with a fg% of 39% and 31% from 3. Those aren't numbers you expect from a 4*. So yea, Fran did secure one highly ranked PG but he certainly didn't meet expectations.
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That is the point, Fran recruited well in securing a top 100 kid at Pg.

Mike was a good PG. Was he elite or a All conference performer? No, but he led us to 3 NCAA tournaments, and was a very solid player for us for 4 years.
 
tksirius said:
Whoa. I'm a big Bohannon fan (was before the season started last year), but let's be honest here. He most definitely was a fallback recruit, at least in Fran's pick of the litter.
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I know Jordan was a fallback, but he wasn't our only option when Fran offered him and he accepted.
 
I understand he started out a fallback. Sometimes you can end up wanting a guy you weren't sure about early in the process worse than you ever wanted the guys you used to value higher. None of us know if that was the case here.
 
InGoodCo said:
Who cares, he was the All B1G freshman PG
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I think Bohannon was a late bloomer who became a no brainer late in the process. Because of that, I don't really use him as an example of Fran recruiting great. It was more about landing a great player because circumstances went your way.

Now if I thought Bohannon was always who he was and Fran was just trying to land better, I would use that as my number 1 example of how great Fran recruits. How many coaches out there would spend countless hours out of their busy lives to try to bring in the best players possible when they have a kid with Bohannon's skill in their own backyard? Fran swings for the fences. And when you do that at a place like Iowa, you're going to lose more than you win. That doesn't make him a bad recruiter. It makes him a great one.
 
PCHawk said:
I understand he started out a fallback. Sometimes you can end up wanting a guy you weren't sure about early in the process worse than you ever wanted the guys you used to value higher. None of us know if that was the case here.
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Are you trolling and I'm not catching on? There is no reason someone would move up or down the pecking order at the end of August unless you missed on other priorities. If he would have moved up it would have been at the end of July and the offer would have came then. In the end it doesn't really matter but like I said I assume you are just trolling us here.
 
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