Hawkeyenation podcast

[uihawk82]

In how many games where a team averaged 7.7 yards per play did they only run 54 plays? That would be one question that I have. I would also ask that in how many games where a team averaged 7.7 did they average 5.65 yards per play if you take away only 2 big plays?

I knew as soon as I heard this from Deace's lips that ISU fans were going to glob onto this, like that is the end all beat all stat, and there wasn't any fluky at all on how ISU got to 7.7 yards per play. Now I see Blum twitting this out, like he came up with it (Blum is a hack that got it from someone else but is acting like he came up with it). I do see he is using it as a rally cry that all will be good for ISU

Yes you always have to look at the variance of these stats and look for outlier data. Those two long TD passes were most of their scoring which meant for the rest of the game the ISU offense picked up about 270 yards on 50 plays. If you look only at that last stat like is mentioned in what I quoted above it really shows just an average offensive output.

Iowa's offensive output was even less per play but the variance was narrower and they were able to grind out drives and score two more times. Definitely a lot of ways to twist these stats but number of plays, number of scoring drives, and time of possession are often times the key as is the ALL important Turnover Margin.

 

[uihawk82]

I still say the Clowns have more to gain and us to lose by playing this series. Their biggest Super Bowl ever, we beat them (albeit by 1 point, but that is all it takes), at their place, on College Game Day.....and we only go up 1 spot in one of the polls. Enough said.

The hawks are only deserving of going up 1 spot in the polls. If they had went for the TD on the opening drive and got it and if they get those other two close throws for TDs and win 30-17 then maybe they could jump to #15.

But the hawks are not going to bypass many of those teams because of past pedigree and results the last few years. A one loss Georgia is still going to be ahead of an undefeated Iowa even at week 8

 

[Chickenlounge]

Agree and they are doing more and more of them. In most cases waste of tim.

Sorry...I couldn't resist.

 

[deanvogs]

Jeez, how could anyone think that ISU offense wasn't super duper awesome. I mean they averaged 7.7 yards per play. Oh yeah, because they averaged 2.2 yards per play in Iowa territory.

As I keep trying to explain that while you can't take away those 2 plays, you also got to look at what ISU did for 52 of it 54 plays, not just put all the eggs in the stat basket where two plays skewed all the stats.

 

[judzeehawk]

Jeez, how could anyone think that ISU offense wasn't super duper awesome. I mean they averaged 7.7 yards per play. Oh yeah, because they averaged 2.2 yards per play in Iowa territory.

As I keep trying to explain that while you can't take away those 2 plays, you also got to look at what ISU did for 52 of it 54 plays, not just put all the eggs in the stat basket where two plays skewed all the stats.

@BryceC now that's domination!

 

[JoeyLabasForPresident]

I appear to be in the minority here, given that I typically really like Deace and enjoy this podcast. That said, this was probably the weakest podcast Jon and Deace have ever put out. It’s the Hawkeye Nation podcast, and there was both minimal analysis of Iowa’s play this weekend, and what this game means for the rest of the season. I thought I was listening to the CycloneNation historical podcast on how Steve Deace put the Iowa State Cyclones on the map. Deace had some god awful takes that simply ignored the actual game, which I expected to happen, given his Clown homerism. No big deal. Typically when that happens, Jon has the appropriate counters, and keeps the podcast on track. This week, while Deace was fellating himself, Jon was happy to help him stroke. It was a waste of half an hour.

 

[deanvogs]

I appear to be in the minority here, given that I typically really like Deace and enjoy this podcast. That said, this was probably the weakest podcast Jon and Deace have ever put out. It’s the Hawkeye Nation podcast, and there was both minimal analysis of Iowa’s play this weekend, and what this game means for the rest of the season. I thought I was listening to the CycloneNation historical podcast on how Steve Deace put the Iowa State Cyclones on the map. Deace had some god awful takes that simply ignored the actual game, which I expected to happen, given his Clown homerism. No big deal. Typically when that happens, Jon has the appropriate counters, and keeps the podcast on track. This week, while Deace was fellating himself, Jon was happy to help him stroke. It was a waste of half an hour.

Totally agree. Plus it was like Jon was scared to push back and say, wait a minute here. Iowa played like crap and STILL won the game. I mean in other podcasts Deace went on and on and on about how great it was that Minnesota beat SDSU and Fresno St. quit possibly even program defining wins. Yet Iowa actually beating a quality opponent while not playing its best was nothing at all. That is why I started this thread, it was a horrible podcast after such an epic game. The Washed up Walkon podcast was 1000% better talking about how tough it would have been mentally to stay in the game, etc.

 

[4thngoal]

The hawks are only deserving of going up 1 spot in the polls. If they had went for the TD on the opening drive and got it and if they get those other two close throws for TDs and win 30-17 then maybe they could jump to #15.

But the hawks are not going to bypass many of those teams because of past pedigree and results the last few years. A one loss Georgia is still going to be ahead of an undefeated Iowa even at week 8

Last week I said if they are a legit top 20 team......
You are absolutely spot on. Had a couple of catches been made, we move up more.

 

[DDThompson]

I still say the Clowns have more to gain and us to lose by playing this series. Their biggest Super Bowl ever, we beat them (albeit by 1 point, but that is all it takes), at their place, on College Game Day.....and we only go up 1 spot in one of the polls. Enough said.

Who should we have jumped?

 

[FanOHawk]

ISU losing several defensive players as well. Their quarterback will be the one notable advantage.

 

[DDThompson]

I appear to be in the minority here, given that I typically really like Deace and enjoy this podcast. That said, this was probably the weakest podcast Jon and Deace have ever put out. It’s the Hawkeye Nation podcast, and there was both minimal analysis of Iowa’s play this weekend, and what this game means for the rest of the season. I thought I was listening to the CycloneNation historical podcast on how Steve Deace put the Iowa State Cyclones on the map. Deace had some god awful takes that simply ignored the actual game, which I expected to happen, given his Clown homerism. No big deal. Typically when that happens, Jon has the appropriate counters, and keeps the podcast on track. This week, while Deace was fellating himself, Jon was happy to help him stroke. It was a waste of half an hour.

Jon and Deace have great chemistry; better than any I have ever heard. I like Deace and understand his takes even when I disagree because he does have reasoning behind them.

I agree that this was a poor podcast. Very little take on the game by either of them. Deanvogs is 100% correct on the yds per play differential when 2 of 54 plays accounts for 1/3 of the ISU yardage for the game.

I didn’t tune in to hear Deace’s history with ISU or how tough the Big12 is this year.

I couldn’t finish this one because I got bored. Haven’t tried the Bigger Ten podcast yet to see if there was improvement or more of this.

Here’s the take they should have discussed: If Iowa was as *meh* as what he thinks, then how did they win?

If Minnesota has had a couple of program wins and that’s a positive, he sure downplayed Iowa’s program win.

 

[JoeyLabasForPresident]

Jon and Deace have great chemistry; better than any I have ever heard. I like Deace and understand his takes even when I disagree because he does have reasoning behind them.

I agree that this was a poor podcast. Very little take on the game by either of them. Deanvogs is 100% correct on the yds per play differential when 2 of 54 plays accounts for 1/3 of the ISU yardage for the game.

I didn’t tune in to hear Deace’s history with ISU or how tough the Big12 is this year.

I couldn’t finish this one because I got bored. Haven’t tried the Bigger Ten podcast yet to see if there was improvement or more of this.

Here’s the take they should have discussed: If Iowa was as *meh* as what he thinks, then how did they win?

If Minnesota has had a couple of program wins and that’s a positive, he sure downplayed Iowa’s program win.

Bigger Ten was better, with very little mention of Iowa, as per usual. Deace’s take on Minnesota will have you laughing out loud given his take on Iowa this week. Seems you already see that one coming, though.

 

[DDThompson]

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If you're going to keep describing "red-zone", you should really say 20 yard-line.

Or are you using some new @deanvogs red-zone stat?

Not a big deal.


OT starts at the 25.
That’s a 50%+ score opportunity if no yardage is gained.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

Who should we have jumped?

UCF

 

[DDThompson]

UCF

So one spot

 

[deanvogs]

I’m listening to the On Iowa podcast right now, and it pisses me off even more now on how shitty a job Miller and Deace did with their podcast. I mean what a joke of a podcast Miller and Deace put out this week.

 

[hawkfan2679]

UCF

How do you "punish" UCF after what they did to Stanford though? That game was barely competitive.

 

[Jonrn]

I’m listening to the On Iowa podcast right now, and it pisses me off even more now on how shitty a job Miller and Deace did with their podcast. I mean what a joke of a podcast Miller and Deace put out this week.

I find the “on Iowa” podcast to be the most informative of any Iowa related media output. Doc and morehouse do great. Chad leistikow and mark emmert are good too, but they don’t provide near the depth and they are going behind a paywall now.

 

[hawkeyes87]

How do you "punish" UCF after what they did to Stanford though? That game was barely competitive.

Stanford has completely lost their mojo though.

Last year they went into South Bend flying high- 4-0, #8, already top-25 wins over USC and at Oregon. And the program was on a multi-year roll.

But, they got crushed in that one (if you watched it, they had no energy at all- like a bunch of zombies going through the motions). Then after getting spanked at home by unranked Utah the next week they fell out of the top-25.

6-4 since then against a mediocre schedule (L's to UCF and Wazu last year being the only top-25 opponents).

Getting drilled Saturday was pretty predictable, and says more about their freefall than it does about the former national champs...

 

[deanvogs]

I find the “on Iowa” podcast to be the most informative of any Iowa related media output. Doc and morehouse do great. Chad leistikow and mark emmert are good too, but they don’t provide near the depth and they are going behind a paywall now.

On Iowa podcast is great, but so is the Hawkeyenation podcast (usually). I mean if Deace is gonna go on and on about how Minnesota winning at Fresno St. is some program defining moment, and then he basically shits on Iowa beating a good ISU team through all the adversity that Iowa had to face, that is just a joke. That is just bitter Clown fan being bitter (which I have never thought of Deace that way). Then add on top of it Jon just basically going along with it and man, that is terrible.