I think I might even have the freshman ranked too low. I think Garza is going to play a lot early since he's a true 5. Nunge I'm not as sure about since he'll be more of a 4 he's just got a ton of competition for mins obviously so I want to see it to believe it with him more so. But if he were to end up playing as much and having an impact as much as Wagner, Pemsl, or Kreiner it wouldn't surprise me.
#1 Cook
#2 J Bo
#3 Baer
#4 Moss
#5 Garza
#6 Kreiner
#7 Pemsl
#8 Williams
#9 Wagner
#10 Nunge
#11 Ellingson
#12 Uhl
#13 Dailey
#1 Cook
#2 J Bo
#3 Baer
#4 Moss
#5 Garza
#6 Kreiner
#7 Pemsl
#8 Williams
#9 Wagner
#10 Nunge
#11 Ellingson
#12 Uhl
#13 Dailey
How could you have Ellingson at #11 when his role is to shoot 3's off the bench and he shot 47% from 3 last year?
NikeHawk21
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He averaged less than one 3PM per game...
Quite frankly after the top 6 or so it's kind of a crapshoot in my estimation. All of the rest of the guys have had their moments.
WindsorHawk
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Moss
Cook
Bohannon
Baer
Kriener
Pemsl
Wagoner
Nunge
Garza
Uhl
Williams
Ellingson
Daily
Connor
Cook
Bohannon
Baer
Kriener
Pemsl
Wagoner
Nunge
Garza
Uhl
Williams
Ellingson
Daily
Connor
How could you put Moss ahead of Cook and Baer after what they all produced last season?
InGoodCo
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I don't think he'll be that impactful is all... The guy had a lot of games where he didn't do much of anything last yr. I think he'll play a little more this year but I think Williams play since he'll be handling the ball more and his defense will be more impactful overall then the one maybe two 3 pointers a game Ellingson may hit.
I look at your list and say how can you have Ellingson over Moss when Moss is going to be starting and playing more mins. That's obvious not to mention he'll do more with his time on the court then him.. I think you have Wagner and Ellingson both way too high but that's just me.
Ellingson had the best offensive rating on the team and Moss had one of the worst. Wagner one one of our best defensive players last year and Moss was also one of the worst. Plus Moss is a poor rebounder.
MisterLucky
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Ellingson is just too inconsistent as a 3-pt shooter. He started the year hot, but had a six game stretch in the early B1G when he went 1-9 and closed out the season on a nine game stretch with a 4 for 17 string, including going 0 fer in the BTT and NIT.
Come one. How can you not put Bohannon last just to be funny?
That is something Dean would do but I'm not a troll. I gave my honest assessment.
He played 14 mins a game avging 4 pts... His role will still be off the bench as opposed to the larger role Moss will have.. You can throw analytic stats out there all day long but with it being such a small sample size for Ellingson it's borderline irrelevant. I know Mosses wasn't great and he didn't play a ton either last yr but I'm projecting that will change. So unless your arguing that Ellingson will start over Moss or is going to play as much and have more impact I just disagree with your take is all.
As good of a defender that Wagner is he's going to play less not more this year... He's a bit of a tweener. 6'7 and 215 isn't exactly a PF yet that's what his skill set is. He's not a SF since he's not a great ball handler and can't shoot.. He has value for sure but not more then most of the guys you put him over
Moss averaged less than 3 more minutes per game than Ellingson. You can't say Ellingson had such a small sample size that it's irrelevant when they played similar amount of minutes. Moss didn't even have 100 more minutes total than Ellingson last year. I'm not arguing Ellingson will start I just think giving what we know he's shown he's the better player so far. I agree Moss has a higher ceiling though.
Motigerhawk
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RE: Ellingson and Moss. I think the thought process is we saw what Ellingson is and will be. Moss has a ceiling that he hasnt even approached. The potential of that guy is pretty high.
I think both Baer and Wagner are good players. Wagner is a guy that can come in and probably defend all five positions. I think his offense will be a lot better this year, and hopefully, his free throws. I wouldn't say Wagner was necessarily better than Baer, but Wagner can do a lot of things that will upset the other team. I'm just hoping Wagner has a great year for the team. I'm sure Baer will be an asset.
FirstDownHawkeyes
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You nailed it on Wagner. His PT will be effected most by his FT%. If he can make 75% of his FTs, he will play 20+ mpg somewhere. He can't shoot and never will. Everyone knows that. He can get to the rim, pass, rebound, defend and score in transition. BUT to make those aggressive attributes translate to PT, he needs to make FTs and anyone can do that. Missed FTs are a like a TO.
deanvogs
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NikeHawk21
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I can't say I agree with this. I don't think there is any way Ahmad gets more than 20 MPG this year unless he made some sort of exponential improvements to his game.
He can get to the rim? I assume that means off the dribble? I think I recall him doing that once his entire college career. His offensive game to date has been primarily offensive rebounding or catching it in the post and putting his head down over his left shoulder attempting for a right handed layup. I actually don't recall him scoring much in transition either for whatever reason. I think most would agree he is severely limited on the offensive end.
The problem imo is if the coaches are set on giving him more time at the wing, that is only going to bring his weaknesses (shooting, ball handling) more to the forefront.
I like Ahmad and think his defense and athleticism will get him time on the court, but I don't think there is anyway he plays more than 15 minutes per game this year.
