Going for 2 down by 9
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HawkU
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It's actually kind of scary that the logic of taking the one extra point instead of going for two is missed on anybody.
Is there a "head scratcher" emoticon?
HawkeyeWalker
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I was indifferent at the time. I didn't hate the call to go for it, but didn't like the playcall. Once we failed to get the onside it became irrelevant.
I was still too angry about waiting until 4 minutes left and down 2 scores to open up passing game, the 7-8 drops, the terrible punting(except for the quick kick, which should pretty much be our punting game going firward), the 2 turnovers......and, of course, the qb keeper on 3rd an 9.
The drops and punting/receiving game have lost 2 games, maybe 3 this year.
I was still too angry about waiting until 4 minutes left and down 2 scores to open up passing game, the 7-8 drops, the terrible punting(except for the quick kick, which should pretty much be our punting game going firward), the 2 turnovers......and, of course, the qb keeper on 3rd an 9.
The drops and punting/receiving game have lost 2 games, maybe 3 this year.
Exactly. I get the arguement that it keeps the team motivated longer. But at that point, does it even matter? Once a 2 poont conversion is missed, the game is lost. I would rather know how fast I needed to score again. A 40 second drill is a little different than a 1 minute drill.
There are arguement to be made for kicking it, but Jon's arguement isn't one of them. It made no sense.
ArvadaHawk
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PC, we were in a hail-mary situaiton because of the time left in the game. we had to do 5 things. 1) Score a touchdown, 2) kick the extra point, 3) recover an onside kick, 4) score a second touchdown, 5) convert a 2-point conversion, all in about 70 seconds and in that order. If you flip #2 and #5 (which we did) and you don't convert (which we didn't) you literally cannot win if you consider how hard it is to #1 through #5 in 70 seconds. By flipping #2 & #5 and not converting, you add steps 6 and 7; recover a second onside kick and score. So, 2 touchdowns and another score in 70 seconds with recovering 2 onside kicks, to boot.
So what happens when you missed the 2 point conversion after the second td?
Ok let's try this again. If you score, go for 2 and don't get it, get the onside kick, score again, you lose by 2. If you score, kick the extra point, get the onside kick, score again, then miss the 2 point conversion, you lose by 2. It's the exact same thing except you know your fate one minute sooner so you still have a small chance to change it by going into true hail Mary mode.
hawkfan2679
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You lose. But...if you kick it first you have 70 seconds for an onside, TD, and 2 pt attempt. You go for two first and miss, you have essentially ended your chances because you now, in that same 70 seconds, need an onside, TD, XP, 2nd onside, and enough yards for game winning FG.
CJHawkeye
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There was so much ineptitude that the fact we're talking about needing last second 2pt conversion heroics against Purdue is laughable. We were burning clock we didn't have, calling shitty plays, executing the shitty plays shittily, and down to Purdue on the first place. Talk about rearranging the chairs on the Titanic.
Exactly. It's like everyone arguing how bad this decision was is assuming we would have converted the 2PT conversion later.
If you fail the 2PT after the first TD, you have to score a total of 3 times in the last 2 minutes.
If you fail the 2PT after the 2nd TD, you have to score a total of 3 times in the last 2 minutes.
It's the same thing either way.
VTHawk
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Plus the defense is a little bit more worn down as others have said before.
hawkfan2679
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Football is a 60 minute game. Why not play for the full 60 vs sealing your fate at 59 minutes with a terrible decision with a minute to go.
This reminds me of another way of thinking that drives me nuts. Punting down two scores with 5 minutes left. I see teams do it all the time just so they can delay that "all hope is lost" moment for as long as possible, instead of choosing the route that gives the team the best chance to win.
If you miss the second one you have to onside kick and score again. How are people forgetting this part?
Arguments like this I can get on board with. Pretending we don't need to score 3 times if we miss the 2nd 2 point conversion is just not thinking things thru.
hawkfan2679
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But you still have a chance up until that last play. And who knows...maybe something in the last drive helps make a different play call on the 2nd 2 pt try. I won't argue that if you miss the 2 you lose because math...thats obvious. But your job as coach is to give your players a chance to win when the clock reads 0:00...that didnt happen today.
For the record, even if we complete the 2 there I still think it is a terrible call.
VTHawk
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Thing is, if the Hawks just kick the point after, they recover the onside kick, score the touchdown, and then go for two, in theory, the defense is a bit more worn down with more momentum against them, while we have more momentum then the last touchdown.
Like I said though. In theory.
And like I said, I can get on board with that argument. I would still lean towards wanting to know what it takes to win. I don't like the argument of giving your team a chance until the clock hits zero is more important than giving your team the best chance.
