ibahawkeye
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I think you kick the extra point. I just see no reason to risk the nail in the coffin if you don’t have to.
For those that love to chime in with the basic math logic, respectfully I say you're flat-out wrong.Iowa had 2 options to tie the game with how much time was left.
TD + 2PT + TD + PAT
TD + PAT + TD + 2PT
It makes no difference which order you go in.
If you failed the 2PT down by 9, you lose.
If you fail the 2PT down by 2, you lose.
And like I said, I can get on board with that argument. I would still lean towards wanting to know what it takes to win. I don't like the argument of giving your team a chance until the clock hits zero is more important than giving your team the best chance.
We needed 2 TDs and 1 2 pt conversion by your own admission. How is going for 2 first giving you a "better" chance to win than going for it after a second TD. Especially given the likelihood of a made XP vs that of a 2 pt conversion? Either way you need a 7 pt score and an 8 pt score.And like I said, I can get on board with that argument. I would still lean towards wanting to know what it takes to win. I don't like the argument of giving your team a chance until the clock hits zero is more important than giving your team the best chance.
Couldn't have said it better. Hopefully this puts a lid on this dumbass argument...For those that love to chime in with the basic math logic, respectfully I say you're flat-out wrong.
here's why:
Without the experience from ever having played at HS or beyond you're unaware that the only reason that matters as to why KF's decision was so ridiculously f-ing stupid is because with the made PAT, Iowa would have sustained MOMENTUM going to the on-side attempt.
And with momentum anything can happen, and often does.
With momentum and the crowd roaring, the Purdue Kickoff-Receive front line all of a sudden has the weight of the world on them...and anything can happen when young men are under great pressure.
But KF took that off the table.
We needed 2 TDs and 1 2 pt conversion by your own admission. How is going for 2 first giving you a "better" chance to win than going for it after a second TD. Especially given the likelihood of a made XP vs that of a 2 pt conversion? Either way you need a 7 pt score and an 8 pt score.
So what happens when you missed the 2 point conversion after the second td?
you lose. but and least by waiting until the second scored touchdown to go to for 2, you gave yourself a chance to recover an onside kick, score a second touchdown and the go for 2. The object should have been scoring 15 points and not 16 points, in that situation because converting 2 pointers isn't a high probability operation.
Down by 8, kicking off with a minute left in the game, and you think the momentum from the TD and PAT will save us? I disagree.For those that love to chime in with the basic math logic, respectfully I say you're flat-out wrong.
here's why:
Without the experience from ever having played at HS or beyond you're unaware that the only reason that matters as to why KF's decision was so ridiculously f-ing stupid is because with the made PAT, Iowa would have sustained MOMENTUM going to the on-side attempt.
And with momentum anything can happen, and often does.
With momentum and the crowd roaring, the Purdue Kickoff-Receive front line all of a sudden has the weight of the world on them...and anything can happen when young men are under great pressure.
But KF took that off the table.
They did give themselves a chance. They just took that chance earlier. People somehow think a failed chance is not giving your team a chance. Like when you go for 2 instead of going to overtime. If you miss it, people always say you have to kick it and give yourselves a chance. Well they did give themselves a chance. The 2 pt conversion was their chance and they missed it. Same here. He gave his team a chance. They just missed it.
you lose. but and least by waiting until the second scored touchdown to go to for 2, you gave yourself a chance to recover an onside kick, score a second touchdown and the go for 2. The object should have been scoring 15 points and not 16 points, in that situation because converting 2 pointers isn't a high probability operation.
The missed onside kick made the 2nd touchdown irrelevant. If they miss the 2 point conversion after the second touchdown, the second touchdown was irrelevant. If they lose in ot, the second touchdown was irrelevant.ok, but by taking that chance earlier and failing, you've removed the ultimate chance of coming back to tie the game with time still on the clock. that's the point. by going for 2 and failing on the first touchdown, you literally make the second touchdown irrelevant.
What does giving yourself a chance to recover an onside kick, score a second touchdown and go for 2 do if you don't make that 2? The answer is nothing. Other people are making good arguments like momentum and wearing down the defense. Then there are people who are just saying they wanted the inevitable delayed as long as possible.
The missed onside kick made the 2nd touchdown irrelevant. If they miss the 2 point conversion after the second touchdown, the second touchdown was irrelevant. If they lose in ot, the second touchdown was irrelevant.
You have to Kick it because it puts added pressure on the recieving team. That was just ridiculous and I honestly don’t know if any other HC in the country at any level would played it the way KF did..
Wait if they kick the PAT they have 2 chances?it gives you 2 chances instead of just 1!