Fran vs Hoiberg

jo12208 said:
I think most non-Iowa fans and most non-ISU fans would say that Hoiberg has down the better job up to this point.
Both came in the same year to horrible situations. Results after 3 years are 2 NCAA tourneys and 2 wins for Hoiberg and 1 NIT tourney for Fran.

Who has the better progam going forward remains to be seen.

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Fran has 2 NIT appearances not 1, so eat it!
 
Since the teams play once a year, it shouldn't matter. What Iowa fan really cares about Fred, and what ISU fan really cares about Fran?
 
clicheusername3 said:
What really sticks out to me in this battle of coaches is that you have Fran on one side doing things the right way, and then you have Fred on the other side doing everything the completely wrong way. The contrast is stark.
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Your view on these programs are the only thing really "stark" here. I don't get it when somebody states the wrong-right thought process that has proven positive for both ISU and UI. If you are referring to transfers, you must have forgotten about the ones going to UI.
 
hawkfan33 said:
Why in the world would you? His scholarship was filled by a walk on just so it didn't go to waste. Okoro's was filled by a transfer before he even knew he was leaving ISU. I don't have a problem with how Fred pulls scholarships, plenty of schools do it, it just cracks me up how defensive Clone fans get about it. If you're going to play it the "right way/wrong way" ********, at least embrace it.
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Proof, 33, proof. You've yet to ever prove your Okoro theory.
 
Cyhawk7 said:
Ever heard of Naz Long, Ejim, Niang, Thomas, Morris or Custer? He's also in very good position to land the #1/2 SG in next years class. I can understand saying this a couple years ago or last year but I think it's pretty clear Hoiberg is focusing more on highschool recruits now that he has gained some real momentum with the program. It's amazing how blind Iowa fans are in terms of what how hoiberg recruits.
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I've read something about those guys in the paper. Rumor has it a couple of them might turn into ballplayers. Unless I misunderstood the point of this thread all of Fred's years count. If we are going to ignore the first 2 years as not being the norm then by your argument we also have to dismiss the last 2 years. This is your argument not mine.

Now let's look at the last 2 years. He took a 1 year player last year. He took a 1 year player this year. What's so different again? Of course he will have an occasional high school player. It's hard to find 3 of these JUCO types and 1 year guys every year. He's forced to add some high school players. He can then run them off when the next 1 year guy wants to sign.

Take your blinders off and face reality. It's working for Fred. It's different than Iowa. That's about it. Again, it's more of a JUCO approach to things.
 
CWooD4 said:
Proof, 33, proof. You've yet to ever prove your Okoro theory.
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You might be as dumb as Stewo. Do you think ISU is going to put out a press release saying they pulled his scholarship? LOL Let's make a bet on which ISU guy wants to be "closer to home" after the season this year? Or do you think that for the first time under Fred some ISU scrub will magically not move on after the year?
 
AnyoneButYou said:
Your view on these programs are the only thing really "stark" here. I don't get it when somebody states the wrong-right thought process that has proven positive for both ISU and UI. If you are referring to transfers, you must have forgotten about the one going to UI.
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Corrected your mistake. But I agree with you. There is no right/wrong approach, they both are right because they've both had great success.
 
WindsorHawk said:
I've read something about those guys in the paper. Rumor has it a couple of them might turn into ballplayers. Unless I misunderstood the point of this thread all of Fred's years count. If we are going to ignore the first 2 years as not being the norm then by your argument we also have to dismiss the last 2 years. This is your argument not mine.

Now let's look at the last 2 years. He took a 1 year player last year. He took a 1 year player this year. What's so different again? Of course he will have an occasional high school player. It's hard to find 3 of these JUCO types and 1 year guys every year. He's forced to add some high school players. He can then run them off when the next 1 year guy wants to sign.

Take your blinders off and face reality. It's working for Fred. It's different than Iowa. That's about it. Again, it's more of a JUCO approach to things.
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I've seen you say this about 10 times, but I'm still not understanding it.
 
clicheusername3 said:
I've seen you say this about 10 times, but I'm still not understanding it.
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I think he is referring to the fact they only play in the system for 1 or 2 years. Like a JUCO team would have.

Of course guys like Kentucky, Kansas and even Duke these days have lots of guys that are 1 and done, so not what kind "feel" that falls under.

But don't think Windsor is implying that the players are thugs, or bad individuals because they are transfers, he is not that kind of poster.

The game is changing, lots of kids transfer, there are lots of 1 and done's don't know why they don't go back to letting kids just get drafted out of high school.
 
fsanford said:
I think he is referring to the fact they only play in the system for 1 or 2 years. Like a JUCO team would have.

Of course guys like Kentucky, Kansas and even Duke these days have lots of guys that are 1 and done, so not what kind "feel" that falls under.

But don't think Windsor is implying that the players are thugs, or bad individuals because they are transfers, he is not that kind of poster.

The game is changing, lots of kids transfer, there are lots of 1 and done's don't know why they don't go back to letting kids just get drafted out of high school.
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They = NBA = why would they?
 
I just don't get the relevance. Yes, Fred is always going to pepper recruiting classes with high schoolers, jucos, and transfers. I don't get what the problem is.
 
SO.....If Fred is a better coach than Fran and has a better team can you explain how this happened? :confused:

Iowa's results for last year:

12/07/2012*
7:00 PM
Iowa State
Carver-Hawkeye Arena • Iowa City, IA
(Iowa Corn Cy-Hawk Series)
BTN
W 80–71
15,127
8–2

Plus the game wasn't even as close as the score shows. It was pure domination. :cool:
 
MiniMoeHawk said:
SO.....If Fred is a better coach than Fran and has a better team can you explain how this happened? :confused:

Iowa's results for last year:

12/07/2012*7:00 PMIowa StateCarver-Hawkeye Arena • Iowa City, IA
(Iowa Corn Cy-Hawk Series)		BTNW 80–7115,1278–2

Plus the game wasn't even as close as the score shows. It was pure domination. :cool:
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It's your guys super bowl! Did I do that right?

Trying to use the football angle. :D
 
And just think 5 years ago these forums were about which basketball coach was worse.
Hawk fans said Lick, ISU fans said Mac. My how times have changed.
 
longtimer said:
Anyone would be hard pressed to say that for the first part of their tenure Hoiberg hasn't out recruited Fran. We shall see what happens in the next 2 or 3 years. Hopefully will go our way but again I think the success this year will go a long ways in determining
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Apparently the glaring difference in building philosophy has escaped your notice... perhaps it's
too subtle a nuance to be obvious to the casual observer.

What you see as recruiting superiority is nothing more than a preference for immediate gratification
vs long term sustainability. I much prefer Fran's philosophy of takng young players and developing them
in his style with his set of disciplines to the short term taste of sugar provided by transfers and jucos.

I don't think you can sustain a program long term with Fred's immediate gratification philosophy. Then again,
I don't think Fred has any intention of being at ISU long term.

So... no... I don't think Fred has out recruited Fran. I think both are getting exactly what they want.
 
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