First time all season we saw a True 8 player rotation..

HawkIPA said:
Pretty telling what Fran's go to lineup was yesterday.

1- Gesell
2- Oglesby
3- Marble
4-White
5- Woodbury/Olaseni

That was the lineup for a HUGE chunk of the 2nd half.
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It was no more telling than Uthoff playing 7 minutes at Minnesota. I know a lot of people don't want McCabe to see the floor the rest of the season but he's part of the 9 man rotation. Fran uses Uthoff, Basabe and McCabe based on how things are going in each game...less so with Basabe.
 
hawkeye12345 said:
I'm going to make this quite obvious to most:

Here are the avg minutes in the 3 losses:

Basabe - 7
Olaseni - 18
Woody - 17
White - 32
Dev - 36
Gesell - 26
Oglesby - 24
Uthoff - 17
McCabe - 15

Here are the minutes played in the win and the (+/-) from the prior 3 game average:

Basabe - 11 (+4)
Olaseni - 21 (+3)
Woody - 19 (+2)
White - 34 (+2)
Dev - 38 (+2)
Gesell - 27 (+1)
Oglesby 25 (+1)
Uthoff 15 (-2)
McCabe 7 (-8)

That is your new 8 man rotation and is the secret sauce to going deep in the tournament. Get your best on the floor, keep them on the floor, and make sure they are there at the end of the game.
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This analysis is one of the worst I've seen. It means nothing and compares apples to oranges. Waste of your time and everyone else's...
 
Look I get that we won't to take away minutes from McCabe.

But let's not act like this was the some reason for the success last night.

I thought Uthoff played terrific last night. He looked more comfortable off the bounce than I had seen all year.

Olaseni was back to the type of at he was earlier in the year.

Ogelsby did what he does and knocked down a coupes threes.

We need these guys to step up on a nightly basis but unfortunately they have been so inconsistent.

So I get the whole rotation thing but we wouldn't have a rotation issue to begin with if these 3 could bring more consistency in their production.
 
I love the rotations that win games, not the ones that loses games.

In my very humble opinion, lineups are quite a bit overanalyzed. They likely need tweaking from game to game / strategy to strategy. Some lineups miss for sure, but we all have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Monday morning point guards. I did not think its such as obvious thing as many would claim.

Sometimes what looks great in practice doesn't show up during the game.
 
Most of us here are evaluating these players by their offensive metrics like 'most consistent scorer', 'knocking down 3s', 'back to their (scoring) form'.

The problem Iowa has had in the last 4 games is stopping people and getting out rebounded. Their defense has been epically poor. Most of the time the Iowa players can score, but can they stop people?

Now I get Mel has been missing the last few games being replaced at MN by McCabe, and at IU by Oglesby and their mins have gone to Jok. When Iowa goes to Gesell, marble, and oglesby or McCabe, they are nit as good defensively or rebounding. Sure they have 3-4 guys who lift 3s, but they are not nearly as sound defensively as they can be.

This is where iowa needs to improve.

So all the talk about rotations is fine, bur unless Fran gets back to up tempo with defense and rebounding, this team might be in trouble.
 
kctom said:
Most of us here are evaluating these players by their offensive metrics like 'most consistent scorer', 'knocking down 3s', 'back to their (scoring) form'.

The problem Iowa has had in the last 4 games is stopping people and getting out rebounded. Their defense has been epically poor. Most of the time the Iowa players can score, but can they stop people?

Now I get Mel has been missing the last few games being replaced at MN by McCabe, and at IU by Oglesby and their mins have gone to Jok. When Iowa goes to Gesell, marble, and oglesby or McCabe, they are nit as good defensively or rebounding. Sure they have 3-4 guys who lift 3s, but they are not nearly as sound defensively as they can be.

This is where iowa needs to improve.

So all the talk about rotations is fine, bur unless Fran gets back to up tempo with defense and rebounding, this team might be in trouble.
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Rebounding has certainly seemed to be an issue. But sometimes the "bounce" does matter and sometimes teams shoot unbelievable even when guarded (Mn).
 
Hey Walker I hear you loud and clear about the bounce not going iowas way as I am the poster child for stating IOWAs poor luck, currently at 340 of 350 D-1 teams.

I think if they start winning they rebound game, moving from a 3 pt shooting team to a drive, dish and draw the foul offense, and playing half court defense like it is that quality that will keep them on the court and not the bench then maybe they get back to winning. There has been too many transition baskets, back door lay ups, and loose balls that add up.

So maybe I'm old school, defense, rebounding, and winning every game at the FT line wins games.....
 
The less McCabe plays the better and thats just the reality of it. There are plenty of other better options regardless of position and situation.
 
RocknRollface said:
The less McCabe plays the better and thats just the reality of it. There are plenty of other better options regardless of position and situation.
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There is a place for minutes for McCabe. I don't know when or how many. I hope he plays well with his minutes, even if quite limited.
 
#1 Gesell 25 mins Marble 13mn AC 2mn
#2 Marble 25. Oglesby 15.
#3 White 20 Uthoff 16 McCabe 4
#4 Basabe 25. White 15
#5 woody/Oly 20/20.

When marble is at point, Oglesby is #2
When Basabe is out, Wjite is #4 and uthoff is #3.

I'd play both AC and McCabe middle-late 1st half, to get their feet wet to be prepped in case of injury or foul trouble in 2H.

If you get zoned, sit Basabe sliding Whitey to #4 and Uthoff to #3

So you have 3 player rotations; #1-2, #3-4, #5, and only under certain circumstances do I change from that. Oglesby-->Gesell-->Marble-->Oglesby-->and work AC in for 2 mins mid-late half. Repeat in 2H (w/out AC.)
 
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WindsorHawk said:
It was no more telling than Uthoff playing 7 minutes at Minnesota. I know a lot of people don't want McCabe to see the floor the rest of the season but he's part of the 9 man rotation. Fran uses Uthoff, Basabe and McCabe based on how things are going in each game...less so with Basabe.
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My post had nothing at all to do with McCabe. It was more a subtle shot at all the JO haters that have became pretty quiet the last few weeks.
 
hawkeye12345 said:
I'm going to make this quite obvious to most:

Here are the avg minutes in the 3 losses:

Basabe - 7
Olaseni - 18
Woody - 17
White - 32
Dev - 36
Gesell - 26
Oglesby - 24
Uthoff - 17
McCabe - 15

Here are the minutes played in the win and the (+/-) from the prior 3 game average:

Basabe - 11 (+4)
Olaseni - 21 (+3)
Woody - 19 (+2)
White - 34 (+2)
Dev - 38 (+2)
Gesell - 27 (+1)
Oglesby 25 (+1)
Uthoff 15 (-2)
McCabe 7 (-8)

That is your new 8 man rotation and is the secret sauce to going deep in the tournament. Get your best on the floor, keep them on the floor, and make sure they are there at the end of the game.
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The problem with this post is the team did not play very well against a pretty weak, very young Purdue team.
i'd like to see this analysis when using the avg. minutes from 3 of the teams best played games against top teams.

i would love to see a +\- stat for BIG games like they have in hockey.
 
brozley said:
The problem with this post is the team did not play very well against a pretty weak, very young Purdue team.
i'd like to see this analysis when using the avg. minutes from 3 of the teams best played games against top teams.

i would love to see a +\- stat for BIG games like they have in hockey.
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I prefer not to comment on what might have happened if we saw lineups on the court like we saw late against Indiana. I see a couple claiming that Fran has done this all year and I beg to differ. All to often this season we've seen lineups that just make us go WTF is that? All to often we see the subs primarily playing with other subs, that changed IMO.
 
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