First time all season we saw a True 8 player rotation..

..."I think it is crucial for Clemmons to get a few minutes in case Marble or Gesell goes down with an injury and he has to play...our only other option at the point...."

So If your goal is to play Clemmons to keep him sharp or 'in the event of an injury', then have a game plan that gets him some minutes in the 1st half. 2mins fine. His feet are wet and he is game ready for a possible injury event' in the 2nd half. Ok by me.

What I disagree with is the 1st appearance of game being late and tight, 'with out an injury or foul related event'. This is both disruptive and counter productive to ween guys playing time down, then insert them for a2-3 min run late, while point guards 1-2 sit, with out injury or foul trouble.
 
kctom said:
"...At Minnesota Iowa played The top 8 guys that night played 189 of the 200 possible minutes....
Yesterday against Purdue Iowa played The top 8 guys played 190 of the possible 200 minutes for Iowa or 95% of the available minutes..."

At MN, had Basabe been available there would have been 9 players.

Vs purdue, McCabe only gets 7mins, are you saying he is not in top 8 players?
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I was just using the top 8 players in terms of minutes for each individual game.
 
HawkIPA said:
Here are the percentage of available minutes that the top 8 in the rotation played in Iowa's B1G games this year:

Nebraska- 87%
@Wisconsin- 90%
NU- 86%
@OSU- 91%
Minnesota- 90%
@Michigan- 94%
@NU- 83.5%
MSU- 88.9%
@Illinois- 88.5%
OSU- 90.5%
Michigan- 90%
@PSU- 95%
Wisconsin- 97%
@Minnesota- 94.5%
@Indiana- 91.5%
Purdue- 95%

So 8 guys have played a huge majority of Iowa's minutes since B1G play started, a larger number than even I expected to see. I would agree with the OP if he would have said that Iowa finally played the correct 8 guys a majority of the minutes yesterday, the 5 starters plus Uthoff, Gabe and Oglesby off the bench.
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I would read my comments much closer IPA?

The 3 off the bench that put in the most work. We needed to see this much sooner than today, but I will take it and hope it continues..

Starters + the 3:
Ogelsby: 25 Minutes
Gabe: 21 Minutes
Uthoff: 15 minutes

The spot duty went to McCabe - 7 minutes and Clemmons- 3 minutes.
 
^^^^^^^

Then your thread is titled poorly.

We have seen a "True 8 player rotation" for pretty much the entire B1G season.

I think going forward we will see the "correct" 8 player rotation.
 
HawkPrdatr40 said:
I would read my comments much closer IPA?

The 3 off the bench that put in the most work. We needed to see this much sooner than today, but I will take it and hope it continues..

Starters + the 3:
Ogelsby: 25 Minutes
Gabe: 21 Minutes
Uthoff: 15 minutes

The spot duty went to McCabe - 7 minutes and Clemmons- 3 minutes.
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The lead sentence in your post is written about as poorly as you could possibly write it. Forgive me for not being able to decipher that.
 
That is fine IPA.

Yesterday we saw very good player rotation and IMO a True Solid rotation for the first time this season. All to often we see participation and lineup combination that shouldn't grace the court making it not a True solid Rotation. Shortening the bench means more to me than just minute distribution, it also is means limiting or ending participation by certain players to a spot duty role and cleaning up unwarranted lineup combinations.
 
HawkPrdatr40 said:
That is fine IPA.

Yesterday we saw very good player rotation and IMO a True Solid rotation for the first time this season. All to often we see participation and lineup combination that shouldn't grace the court making it not a True solid Rotation. Shortening the bench means more to me than just minute distribution, it also is means limiting or ending participation by certain players to a spot duty role and cleaning up unwarranted lineup combinations.
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Ok, forget the stats and numbers, just go with what you want to tell yourself.

Agree to disagree once again and I will move on.
 
HawkIPA said:
Ok, forget the stats and numbers, just go with what you want to tell yourself.

Agree to disagree once again and I will move on.
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Wow what does that even mean IPA?? Save the response IPA because you continually do this and I'm just going to ignore you bud.
 
kctom said:
So If your goal is to play Clemmons to keep him sharp or 'in the event of an injury'...
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This was necessary throughout the season. It's not important at this point because he's as ready as he will get. We're playing 9 guys in the 1st half and then settling on the best 7 or 8 most every game.
 
There are still 9 guys that will play in the 1st half. Fran will then decide how many minutes to give guys based on how they play. It could be the 8 from yesterday. It could be McCabe in place of someone else. It varies game to game...not going to change now.
 
I wish that were true Windsor. But it's not because just look at the second half of the Indiana game. Look who was on the court at the 8 minute mark.
 
Here are the average minutes per game for the last 4 games...rounded.

Marble - 37
White - 33
Gesell - 26
Oglesby - 24

Uthoff - 17
Basabe - 16 (2 games)
Olaseni - 19
McCabe - 13
Woodbury - 18

Clemmons - 5

The first 4 guys aren't likely to see their minutes change much IMO. Olaseni and Woodbury will combine for approximately 40 minutes. Basabe, Uthoff and McCabe will all get in the game and then playing time will be determined based on their play, match-ups, etc. Clemmons is getting spot duty just in case he's needed.

Uthoff only played 7 minutes against Minnesota. Basabe played 11 minutes yesterday after playing 20 at Indiana. McCabe played 7 minutes yesterday after playing 12 to 19 minutes the previous 3 games.

It's a 9 man rotation. I don't see how anyone can say otherwise.
 
WindsorHawk said:
It's a 9 man rotation. I don't see how anyone can say otherwise.
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Agree. If a player is getting more than 10 minutes; he is in the rotation.

Seems like the rotation minutes shrink in the 2nd half lately. That could be just my perception, though.
 
DDThompson said:
Seems like the rotation minutes shrink in the 2nd half lately. That could be just my perception, though.
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I think it's been like this all season. I remember some of the non conference games and early conference games. When we were playing the quality opponents and the games were more competitive the rotation was about 6 or 7 guys the last 8 to 10 minutes of the game.
 
WindsorHawk said:
Clemmons and Jok only get spot minutes...Jok rarely. I think it is crucial for Clemmons to get a few minutes in case Marble or Gesell goes down with an injury and he has to play...our only other option at the point.

As I have been saying all year...the 10 players minus Jok should get in the game and see which guys are playing well. It has been a 7 or 8 man rotation almost every game this year. It's not the same 7 or 8 each game. There's no way of knowing if a player is poised for a big game if he never sees the floor. I really don't think yesterday's game was much different than most others this year.
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If by a few minutes you mean about what he has been getting then I agree. If you think he should be getting a little bit more playing time than what he is getting then I would disagree. I feel a little for Clemmons because he's not a bad player, and his minutes have dropped quite a bit since last year. However, Gesell just means so much to the success of the team.

In my opinion, Gesell is Iowa's most important player. Marble is the most consistent scorer, but Gesell controls everything and leads better than any other guy on the team. You don't take a guy like that out just to get someone else minutes in case he the starter were to suffer an injury. You take him out to rest his legs for a bit, but other than that I would go with him as much as possible. If an injury happens then it happens. You deal with it as best you can and you hope someone else steps up. Otherwise when your most important player is healthy you ride him as long as you can. You have to do whatever it takes to get wins.
 
I'm going to make this quite obvious to most:

Here are the avg minutes in the 3 losses:

Basabe - 7
Olaseni - 18
Woody - 17
White - 32
Dev - 36
Gesell - 26
Oglesby - 24
Uthoff - 17
McCabe - 15

Here are the minutes played in the win and the (+/-) from the prior 3 game average:

Basabe - 11 (+4)
Olaseni - 21 (+3)
Woody - 19 (+2)
White - 34 (+2)
Dev - 38 (+2)
Gesell - 27 (+1)
Oglesby 25 (+1)
Uthoff 15 (-2)
McCabe 7 (-8)

That is your new 8 man rotation and is the secret sauce to going deep in the tournament. Get your best on the floor, keep them on the floor, and make sure they are there at the end of the game.
 
Pretty telling what Fran's go to lineup was yesterday.

1- Gesell
2- Oglesby
3- Marble
4-White
5- Woodbury/Olaseni

That was the lineup for a HUGE chunk of the 2nd half.
 
woodyk1 said:
Actually, I was only referring to the time the 4 bench players (as mentioned) + Marble was playing. They went from tied to getting a 6 point lead (score was 9-9 when it started, then 26-20 when ended). This included Uthoff's dunk and JO's pass to Gabe for another dunk. Then, White came back in ending that stretch. As some have mentioned previously, individual plus/minus can be tough to judge. Sometimes, it would be nice to see the plus/minus as a unit on the floor.
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I used statsheet.com and pieced together the plus minus for the group you said in the 1st half...it was +2
 
DP5555 said:
If by a few minutes you mean about what he has been getting then I agree. If you think he should be getting a little bit more playing time than what he is getting then I would disagree. I feel a little for Clemmons because he's not a bad player, and his minutes have dropped quite a bit since last year. However, Gesell just means so much to the success of the team.
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I agree with this.
 
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