Ferentz's time

[okeefe4prez]

Calm down OK4P. If KF stays I won't be too upset, again I like the guy, I just don't believe he will be winning 10 games ever again at Iowa.

And yes Diaco is doing that at ND and it is different, but that doesn't mean he can't bring that kind of attitude to Iowa.

Shoot KF used to get some good recruits, even when his program wasn't great, but then his recruiters left. It's not just him that recruits. Lots of coaches on staff.

KF's best recruiting class in 2005 was full of busts. Well, many of the lower ranked guys in it were good, but plenty of fatcats in that class. Give me the guy who is gonna spend some time with Doyle and bring his lunch pail to practice every day and settle in for some work over fat cats any day.

 

[FreedComanche]

Recruiting Notre Dame and recruiting Iowa are two different beasts, guy. And ND got torched by Michigan on Saturday. With a bunch of studs on the defensive side of the ball.

Honestly, we've lost some guys to places like Oregon, Alabama and Michigan. Iowa is simply not going to be able to out-recruit those programs. Ever. We have got to be realistic. Heck, we're even at a disadvantage for recruiting against Missouri and Wisconsin since we have another BCS program in state and our state population is smaller. And the population is way smaller than Illinois (though it has two BCS schools).

Honestly, dude, we have a young team with a young QB. As he goes so will our team. I've seen glimpses of hope. Schedule softens way up in 2014 and 2015, too. Keep the faith, man.

Whoever the next coach is, he's got to hire asst coaches that can recruit. Getting good players is more important than good coaching. Yes, I know Mack Brown upsets this premise.

 

[bigjim]

I have not posted in a few months just trying to avoid the negativity that surrounds Iowa football and the summer boredom.

The reason for this post is that I have been a loyal Ferentz supporter, perhaps blindly at times, since forever. I still think he's a good coach and a great person. I appreciate that he will never pull a Saban and cut people or over recruit etc.

However, with that sentiment I believe for the betterment of the Iowa football program Ferentz needs to move on. I know it won't happen. But it has been said numerous times that if you are at a program for more than 10 years you're going to get stale. It happened to KF and with his old staff recruiting suffered. We know it is all about the Jimmy's and Joe's, just look at Bama. He got rid of a few of his coordinators and replaced with younger guys. Still we are starting to see some of his better recruitment classes get into the fold and we are still seeing a bad football team.

I want this team to succeed, I want KF to succeed, but I'm not sure they can happen simultaneously anymore. I think everyone needs a fresh start and that would benefit all.

I kinda feel the same way. Its like there is no excitement around the program anymore. I just hope that KF can turn it around this tr but if he can't I feel like a change would be the best thing to do for the program

 

[knighthawk13]

KF's best recruiting class in 2005 was full of busts. Well, many of the lower ranked guys in it were good, but plenty of fatcats in that class. Give me the guy who is gonna spend some time with Doyle and bring his lunch pail to practice every day and settle in for some work over fat cats any day.

Look at Lowdermilk. Dude was all over the field last Saturday.

 

[hawktransplant]

Fereztz is 6-8 in his annual Super Bowl game. That's not that bad. Almost .500 against his rival team.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Recruiting Notre Dame and recruiting Iowa are two different beasts, guy. And ND got torched by Michigan on Saturday. With a bunch of studs on the defensive side of the ball.

Honestly, we've lost some guys to places like Oregon, Alabama and Michigan. Iowa is simply not going to be able to out-recruit those programs. Ever. We have got to be realistic. Heck, we're even at a disadvantage for recruiting against Missouri and Wisconsin since we have another BCS program in state and our state population is smaller. And the population is way smaller than Illinois (though it has two BCS schools).

Honestly, dude, we have a young team with a young QB. As he goes so will our team. I've seen glimpses of hope. Schedule softens way up in 2014 and 2015, too. Keep the faith, man.

So, Iowa has some inherent limitations with regards to recruiting. Are you saying a former OL coach at Iowa with a losing record as a head coach at Maine can recruit better than a former player at Iowa that is currently the DC at Notre Dame? Why would that be?

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

Fereztz is 6-8 in his annual Super Bowl game. That's not that bad. Almost .500 against his rival team.

Its down right amazing if you factor in that ISU needs that win more than Iowa.

 

[hawktransplant]

Its down right amazing if you factor in that ISU needs that win more than Iowa.

ISU really does need that win more since they play in the stronger conference.

 

[FreedComanche]

So, Iowa has some inherent limitations with regards to recruiting. Are you saying a former OL coach at Iowa with a losing record as a head coach at Maine can recruit better than a former player at Iowa that is currently the DC at Notre Dame? Why would that be?

I like it.

FreedComanche

 

[uihawk82]

ISU really does need that win more since they play in the stronger conference.

I disagree with you on this. Nebraska is one of the top former big 12 teams and they havent bowled over the B1g 10. They have been pasted by wisky, NW got them and should have had them twice, mich, etc.

Big 10 vs Big12 would be games in contrasting styles but I dont think the big 12 plays as good of defense even if they score more.

An avg 2012 Iowa team held their own against oklahoma in a bowl game. I okie state was so good two years ago they should have never lost at Ames but they didnt have a good defense and their offense had a very off night.

 

[uihawk82]

If he comes to the realization that his way just isn't working anymore then he'll sacrifice himself in order to do what is best for the University.

I disagree because KF is the CEO and if he quits all his 'employees'/coaches and others lose their jobs. I think you can see the losing and poor execution wearing on him for sure.

My guess is he wants to coach thru 13-16 or 17 to see if he and his son or sons and other coaches can leave on a high note. And his coaches can get other jobs.

 

[hawktransplant]

I disagree with you on this. Nebraska is one of the top former big 12 teams and they havent bowled over the B1g 10. They have been pasted by wisky, NW got them and should have had them twice, mich, etc.

Big 10 vs Big12 would be games in contrasting styles but I dont think the big 12 plays as good of defense even if they score more.

An avg 2012 Iowa team held their own against oklahoma in a bowl game. I okie state was so good two years ago they should have never lost at Ames but they didnt have a good defense and their offense had a very off night.

I disagree with you on this. Nebraska came to the Big Ten because they couldn't compete in the big twelve. That and the money and uncertainty of the time.

Nebraska was okay in the Big 12 but it had been a decade since they had won the conference. A decade. Don't act like they were the top Big 12 team. They weren't. The last conference championship for Nebraska was 1999.

 

[SpecialKHawk]

I think you can see the losing and poor execution wearing on him for sure.

Few if any like losing but the difference is does our head coach demand excellence and hold players accountable through playing time? What evidence have you seen this year as an example that a player has been held accountable for repeated mistakes, particularly an entrenched starter? We have made some pretty glaring mistakes some of which are being repeated but there have been no changes and often the player committing the mistake is in on the next series and or play. What does this say to younger players and what kind of hunger do players have to compete once they get entrenched in a starting position? How do you develop leaders when those inside the program see their teammates making lots of mistakes without consequence? They do not garner respect.

The effect is the program lacks discipline, competition, a sense of perfection causing the same mistakes to occur game after game and season after season.

When was the last time you walked away from Kinnick thinking we played a complete game? It's been a while.

 

[zhawk21]

I have not posted in a few months just trying to avoid the negativity that surrounds Iowa football and the summer boredom.

The reason for this post is that I have been a loyal Ferentz supporter, perhaps blindly at times, since forever. I still think he's a good coach and a great person. I appreciate that he will never pull a Saban and cut people or over recruit etc.

However, with that sentiment I believe for the betterment of the Iowa football program Ferentz needs to move on. I know it won't happen. But it has been said numerous times that if you are at a program for more than 10 years you're going to get stale. It happened to KF and with his old staff recruiting suffered. We know it is all about the Jimmy's and Joe's, just look at Bama. He got rid of a few of his coordinators and replaced with younger guys. Still we are starting to see some of his better recruitment classes get into the fold and we are still seeing a bad football team.

I want this team to succeed, I want KF to succeed, but I'm not sure they can happen simultaneously anymore. I think everyone needs a fresh start and that would benefit all.

I have to agree with farmer. There seems to be no energy inside Kinnick anymore (outside on the other hand Chug Chug). A new coach could energize the program. I get too much of an impression that Kirk is mailing it in. He is set for life and W/L won't change that. Now can we get anyone better than Kirk? I'll throw this name out. How about Jim 'sweater vest' Tressel. He knows the conference, knows how to recruit, has a NC, and has a lot to prove after being let go by OSU.

 

[Golfer]

He is as conservative, if not more so, than KF. I'm not saying that's bad, I'm just saying. It would be hilarious to see everyone get excited, not even give him three years, and then try to run him out of town. Some even experts from afar. Successful alumni formerly of Ft. Dodge. Now rich pulling down $300K.

 

[craig56]

We've got a young team. Give it time. Don't jump off the bandwagon now.

Question - who do you hire to replace the longest tenured coach in the conference. The guy's career is as storied as the legends of yesteryear and as far as I'm concerned, he's earned a lifetime contract.

Fitzgerald Northwestern. Triple his salary to equal KF

 

[okeefe4prez]

So, Iowa has some inherent limitations with regards to recruiting. Are you saying a former OL coach at Iowa with a losing record as a head coach at Maine can recruit better than a former player at Iowa that is currently the DC at Notre Dame? Why would that be?

That losing record at Maine was coupled with serious credibility garnered in the NFL. I believe we currently have two red shirt freshmen who are 4 stars on the d-line. If just one of those guys pans (and I understand why Kirk is reluctant to play them now) we are gonna be a lot better down the road. One good d-lineman is the whole key to our defense working. It is unfortunate that we are in the predicament we are in now, but I blame the clown who is in Nebraska now for it. Dude was a moron.

Diaco inherited some good ball players at Notre Dame. Let's see what he does with his own guys before we anoint him the next Ron Zook.

 

[okeefe4prez]

Fitzgerald Northwestern. Triple his salary to equal KF

Fitz made 2.2 last year. 2.2 x 3 = what?

 

[BILLBUCKNER]

Honestly, I think this is the way we'll see Kirk end up leaving. On his own terms. If Iowa is 4-8 or worse this year I wouldn't be shocked if he walked away. I know some of you would be, and I know some will make comments about all he cares about is money. I just think that's a load of crap at this point. He's made enough money to live comfortably, and he made it pretty clear offseasons like this last one are incredibly taxing. At some point enough is enough.

He and his agent worked out a nice contract for himself, but I have a very hard time believing he's the greedy jerkoff some people try to make him out to be. I wouldn't even be surprised if he donated a significant portion of his buyout to the Children's Hospital. It's not something that he would want made public, but I think deep down that's the kind of guy he is. Very few people care more about the University than he does. I have a hard time believing there is anyone who takes this downward trend any harder than Kirk Ferentz. He's a proud guy. Most football coaches who have seen signifcant levels of success are extremely proud. It can't be easy watching something you built from the ground up fall back to mediocrity. I truly believe he's been doing the best he can to make Iowa successful. If he comes to the realization that his way just isn't working anymore then he'll sacrifice himself in order to do what is best for the University.

I just can't believe that Ferentz will ever just step down.. I am sure that he thinks that he can get this thing turned around even if it takes several more years. I think his ultimate goal is for Brian to replace him when he is ready to hang it up. As frustrated as I am with the current situation I really hope he can succeed. But I am really getting tired of Iowa getting beat by MAC teams and barely beating FCS ones.

 

[NCHawker]

Wake me when the hawks are ranked again.