Makavelihawk
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Mark it down. Tattoo it to my SN. Put me in your sig. This team will not win more than 5 games. I predict 4-8.
Ferentz: Northwestern loss ‘most representative’
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DP5555
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Your posts don't bother me one bit. It's a game of chess to me. You make a move, I return the favor. I pretty much disagree with every single point you try to make so that makes it easy to counter. I hope you aren't trying to influence me because if you were it isn't working. I don't think you're probably influencing anyone for that matter.
I'm a realist. I'm not on the Ferentz bandwagon, but I have great respect for what he has done at Iowa, and I do believe he's earned the right to try to turn things around one more time. More than likely the results of this season will sway me in one direction or the other. Thus far, I have absolutely hated what I have seen from the Greg Davis offense, and quite frankly I think he should have been sacked after year one. That's not Ferentz's style though. I give Ferentz the benefit of the doubt because he's shown he can be a great leader in the past. He goes about things the right way. I'm hopeful he can continue doing that at Iowa by bringing us back to the level of success that is expected.
I'm only retorting your posts today because you're making things up simply because people had a different viewpoint than yours. Saying the "Ferentz followers" are cult members, and then claiming things were said that obviously were not said (lying) is a very amateur move on your part. Thus I called you out for it. Get over it.
Makavelihawk
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He didn't turn it around a 2nd time. He turned it around once. 09' was a great year, but the team grossly underperformed in both '08 and '10. 1 year does not make a turnaround when you **** away the kind of talent that the '08 and '10 seasons had.
DP5555
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This is your opinion, and it's absolutely a fair argument. Considering the level of talent that was on those teams, I agree that they could have accomplished more. However, in both '08 and '10 they took care of business by winning their bowl games. When I put it into perspective about how Iowa has been historically I think a 9 win season in '08 and an 8 win season in '10 is pretty damn good. That doesn't mean it doesn't leave me wondering "What if".
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What are you talking about? Stanzi was hurt at the end of the '09 season. Making up fake injuries does not absolve Ferentz of his struggles.
DP5555
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Ahh lol thanks for calling me out 33. I get 09 and 10 confused. 10 is when Persa tore his achilles and Stanzi threw the interception that ruined our chances against them pesky Wildcats. Then we crapped the bed the last couple games of the regular season. You're correct.
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You had me second guessing myself there, I was trying to remember if I was completely forgetting a major injury to Stanzi during that year. And there were plenty of injuries in '10 just none to Rick.
DP5555
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No you had it right. 2010 was also the year it seemed like DJK was the only one who showed up to play against Minnesota if my memory serves me correctly this time. Stanzi fumbled a snap in Minnesota territory and they ended up converting a TD a few plays later. I remember thinking the defense played like they thought they would win just by showing up that day.
Makavelihawk
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8 and 9 wins INCLUDING bowl wins to inferior teams those 2 seasons are not "pretty damn good". Not with the talent that was on those squads. The '08 defense, every single player made an NFL roster if you count Greenwood's short stint. They had the best RB in school history. For a team that's supposed to be based on defense and a running game there's no excuse to win 8 games including a meaningless bowl game. '10 I won't even bother arguing. Worst job of coaching I've ever seen in my life.
DP5555
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I'm not arguing with you. Your points are all very valid. The only difference between your opinion and mine is that it's clear my expectations aren't the same as yours. I'm a pretty happy camper when Iowa can consistently win 8 or 9 games a year. I won't argue that in those years more could have been accomplished because in hindsight more probably should have been accomplished.
In 2008 we had a QB controversy to begin the year. Did you feel like Stanzi should have been the annointed starter all along? Breaking in a new QB is always going to make it tough to "win more games" as you're saying should have been done. Just curious, because any time there is uncertainty at the QB position it makes it pretty tough to get cohesion on offense. Not to mention, Shonn Greene was a bit of an unknown commodity at the beginning of the year as well. Hindsight is always 20/20.
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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Makavelihawk
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I would be too. Unfortunately that hasn't happened since '04. Even during one of the worst stretches in B10 football history. What KF accomplished from 01-04 and in 09 he deserves a ton of credit. He just also deserves the criticism that he is not as good of a coach as in 04'. He's more conservative, he's more arrogant, he's more stubborn. All 3 of those have put the Iowa program in the position it's in now despite being a top 15 program in revenue.
FreedComanche
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1. I never lied. I even said it was ridiculous. Another blown assumption on your part as usual.
2. This one is funny. You say you are not on the ferentz bandwagon and in another post you call yourself a ferentz sympathizer. Who's lying????????????
3. It's good that people disagree with me. It wouldnt' be fun if everyone agreed with me.
4. Now stop misleading people into believing you are something that you are not. Your own words, "I am a ferentz sympathizer."
FreedComanche
DP5555
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1. You did lie. You didn't come out and say you were attempting to be ridiculous until after I called you out. It was clear you were exaggerating, however, you construed it in a way that made it look like several of us said something that we flat out did not say. Hence, you lied.
Here's one of your posts you did it in from this thread (you also lied in another thread):
"Ok, I give up. Coaching and offensive schemes don't matter. It's all player execution. If the coaching and offensive system sucks, that does not matter. The only thing that matters in winning football games is player execution.
Thanks for making such compelling arguments. You all have finally won me over."
Pretty sure you're insinuating that we were claiming coaching and offensive schemes don't matter which wasn't the case AT ALL.
2. At this moment, I can be a Ferentz sympathizer without being on the Ferentz bandwagon. Not everyone feels the need to throw themselves into a category. I'm on the fence. When I say I sympathize with him I mean that I don't think he deserves to be let go just yet. I think he deserves another chance. However, I'm not on his bandwagon. I don't like the direction things have been going, I don't like the fact he's so conservative, I don't like the GD hire, and frankly I'm not real confident he has what it takes to turn it around again. So no I'm not lying. I have sympathy for him because of the success he's brought to Iowa football. I think he deserves one more fair shot, and I'm not sure what that shot will result in. IMO someone on his "bandwagon" is someone who is completely sold he will turn things around. That's not me. Not even close. I just think he's earned the right to be given a chance.
3. Won't disagree with you here.
4. I explained in #2 how I feel about this. I haven't intentionally mislead anyone regarding how I feel about the current status of Hawkeye football. It's time for Ferentz to earn his paycheck by giving us results that prove the program is moving forward. Plain and simple.
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deanvogs
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All you have to do is look at other programs that are coming after Fitzgerald.......and how many came after KF after his successful season. Just because you have it all figured out (cough...cough...Norm) doesn't mean many agree with you, including most NFL franchises.
Bigtenchamp
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big plays on offense are not "little things...."
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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Dont act like you are following Fitz and who has come after him. Yes Kirk would make a good oline coach if somebody in the NFL needed one.
Fitz sure does a lot of winning for not having any NFL talent and a school that has huge hurdles in recruiting.
deanvogs
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What is "a lot" of winning? Sub .500 BIG winning %? 1 bowl win in 7 years?
I like how you define the guy who can't get other offers as "successful" and the guy who was on NFL short lists as a terrible coach.....but I digress, you are the guy who argues that KF doesn't really want to win games, so logic and reason don't really resonate with you.
