Ferentz: Northwestern loss ‘most representative’
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DP5555
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I suppose that's why he's been interviewed for multiple head coaching vacancies and no one knows what was offered... Gee I sure am glad we have someone on the board who apparently knows more than NFL experts.
Iowa faces many of the same hurdles in recruiting that Northwestern faces. Northwestern has the big city of Chicago and great academics to taunt at recruits. Those are two things Iowa can't really consider an advantage (pretty solid academics but no where near NW in terms of prestige).
Are you trying to say KF isnt in demand as a head coach ? I just dont think you are well informed if thats what you are saying. Forget the NFL part. He could of had the Michigan job when they hire R.R. He is very well respected in the coaching bussiness.
homes
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I've skimmed through this back and forth, but this one caught my eye - Northwestern having a recruiting advantage over Iowa. I've never read anyone make an argument that NW has a recruiting advantage over any school, probably because the best football players by and large aren't really looking for their best academic opportunity when choosing a school, and being located in a big city is generally a myth in terms of a recruiting advantage.
Makavelihawk
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Want to know why you haven't ever read it? Because it's a ******* ridiculous premise. I hope this helps.
DP5555
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I'm not arguing they don't have challenges with recruiting whatsoever. I pointed out two aspects of their recruiting that would be considered advantages over Iowa. Two aspects... I'm certainly not saying they have an overall advantage. It's not a ******** premise Makaveli. Not a ******** premise at all.
Do big cities and academics occasionally play a role in a kid deciding where he goes to college? If you were a NW coach are those two angles that you would promote? If your answer to that is yes... then they consider it an advantage. Would you fellas like a link to hear their own coaches talk about it? Just to quell your eager need to bash people this morning I'll provide you with one : )
Read the article or save the smart a$$ comments please.
Recent success drives Northwestern Wildcats' recruiting - ESPN
If you're too lazy to read it I'll pick out a key point:
NW's Recruiting Coordinator Matt MacPherson
"From what we do and how we do it, not a whole lot has changed," MacPherson said. "From the perception of where our program is, that's changed a bunch. People see us now as a perennial bowl team. ... You look at Northwestern and you talk about winning football games, a great education, being in Chicago. What's not to like? Tell me when that gets bad.
"There's always been the great education, there’s always been the great city of Chicago. Now you throw the football success on top of that, and it's just a great package that opens a lot of people's eyes."
Hmm... apparently their own coaches don't think those are advantages at all huh fellas? Obviously the success they've had in recent years is playing a vital role in recruiting, but you can't honestly tell me their academics and close proximity to Chicago don't help them at times.
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FreedComanche
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It's too bad you can't recognize sarcasm when you see it. If you honestly thought that statement was not sarcastic, I feel bad for you.
Anybody that reads my posts would know that I was joking and being sarcastic. I did not lie!!!!!!!!!!!
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Makavelihawk
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Wow. Bout all I can say bout that.
DP5555
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Pretty sure I noticed the sarcasm pal... read my post:
It was clear you were exaggerating, however, you construed it in a way that made it look like several of us said something that we flat out did not say.
Pretty sure you're insinuating that we were claiming coaching and offensive schemes don't matter which wasn't the case AT ALL.
Obviously I picked up on the sarcasm, but that doesn't change the fact you intentionally refused to acknowledge what was being said and decided to put your own spin on it out of frustration. Here's your post from the other thread:
Come on man, don't you get it? The offensive failure of 2012 had NOTHING to do with G. Davis. The players just didn't excute properly. Ask ferentz and his cult followers on here if you don't believe me.
Sarcasm or not, once again you were trying to insinuate that we claimed execution is all that matters. Which is not what we were saying.
I'd be happy to move on. Hope you feel the same.
FreedComanche
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It's not close right now who the better coach is for several reasons.
FreedComanche
FreedComanche
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I didn't read your whole response. I don't mind moving on. It's just that neither of us believes each other. If we attempt to converse it will just be the same thing back and forth. I guess that's ok, but I doubt this is the place for that. I could be wrong.
One option would be for us to comment on what we agree with, but that's no fun.
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homes
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I don't want to belabor the point, but as the coach said, the education and city have always been there, without much success to show for it over the years. It's only since the program has started to win that recruits have taken notice. An argument could be made that their success is in spite of the academic requirements, but then that sprouts another discussion about whether football recruits have the same admission standards as the rest of the applicants looking to get into Northwestern.
DP5555
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I absolutely agree with you. I said so in the bottom of the last post. Obviously their success is playing a huge role in their recent uptrend in recruiting. However, in my original post about NW I was simply stating that the big city and academics are two advantages that they have over Iowa. I don't see why that's a stretch. I think it would be naive to suggest that some kids don't prefer going to a school with great academics and a big city nearby.
I don't know about Northwestern, but when my daughter was being recruited by William & Mary, they made reference to a limited number of preferential admission slots for athletes. The standards were still high, but it just allowed them to put some academically qualified athletes on top of the list of uber-qualified non-athlete applicants.
I could be wrong but I think some schools will give a free ride based on finacial need. I know a kid that walked on at Iowa and had a free ride to Harvard. They offered a partial to begin with then came back with a free ride. Said it was based on family income. Not sure how it all works. The kid should have went to Harvard.
Barnett and Walker,the last two NW coaches,both won Big Ten titles. Fitz is 26-30 in the Big Ten in his 7 years at the helm.
A NW degree for a redshirting football player is valued at almost 400k. A similar scholly at Iowa is valued around 150k. With the bad economy, recruits are looking at that 250k difference more than ever. Look at Stanford and ND...same deal. Both can offer top notch academics and winning football.
To Fitz's credit,he has sold that well,and did finally win a bowl game last year,so they are at the peak of their appeal right now. They also have plans for a 250million dollar football/campus facility to show recruits. Fitz is a case of arrested development much like Zook at Illinois,and that does enhance their ability to relate to teenagers.
I give Fitz credit for knowing his limitations. He retained the offensive coordinator when he took the job and hired a top d-coordinator to handle that part. He himself was a novice head coach,and it showed.
He is more like the chief cheerleader and motivator than x and o coach. Fine. He has made plenty of mistakes that NW fans have fumed over for years,but now he is a god? Lets see how he does with a target on his back this season.
A NW degree for a redshirting football player is valued at almost 400k. A similar scholly at Iowa is valued around 150k. With the bad economy, recruits are looking at that 250k difference more than ever. Look at Stanford and ND...same deal. Both can offer top notch academics and winning football.
To Fitz's credit,he has sold that well,and did finally win a bowl game last year,so they are at the peak of their appeal right now. They also have plans for a 250million dollar football/campus facility to show recruits. Fitz is a case of arrested development much like Zook at Illinois,and that does enhance their ability to relate to teenagers.
I give Fitz credit for knowing his limitations. He retained the offensive coordinator when he took the job and hired a top d-coordinator to handle that part. He himself was a novice head coach,and it showed.
He is more like the chief cheerleader and motivator than x and o coach. Fine. He has made plenty of mistakes that NW fans have fumed over for years,but now he is a god? Lets see how he does with a target on his back this season.
HomerChampless
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Iowa's system of defense against NW is bad (outdated). I don't care if Iowa's D executes flawlessly or potentially has 5 players going to the pros, Iowa will lose. Iowa's only hope of winning is an offensive blitzkrieg against NW.
FIX THE SYSTEM.
FIX THE SYSTEM.
deanvogs
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They avg. 22.5 PPG against us under Fitz. The D is fine, it is the O that causes most of the problems.
