I agree wholeheartedly with your observation although I wouldn't include DE's in the broad picture as Ferentz has had 7 DE's get picked in the draft. The offensive weaponry of QB, WR, and RB has only contributed 6 picks in the entire Ferentz era. I think it probably explains to a large part why Ferentz runs the offense that he does. We play with the cards we are normally dealt each year and that usually doesn't include high octane weapons with speed........hard to "develop" that.
Fry and staff seemed to come up with a nuggets at RB at about the right time most of the time. His era produced eight RB's selected in the NFL draft (Granger, Gill, R. Harmon, K. Harmon, Stewart, Betts, Shaw, and Banks). I would only give Ferentz credit for one, Shonn Greene. Even though L. Betts would have been during the Ferentz era it was the Fry staff that signed him out of HS I believe.
You know how I feel on this issue. NOPE, I disagree.
Ferentz can develop all the 2-3 star recruits to play in his system because his system is a 2-3 star system.. not a lot of intricacies in his system. Not a lot of risk taking in his system.
QB and WR gets no love. CB get no love (usually, but Phil is doing better, there)
This is why Iowa doesn't get the gifted athlete: Iowa doesn't use the gifted athlete. I can't make it any plainer.That couldn't make less sense. Iowa runs a pro style offense where they are pretty much 55/45 running to passing give or take. If your a good player (which Iowa develops better then most) then you'll get noticed. Stanzi got drafted. Kevin Kasper was in the league McNutt is in the pros Keenon Davis got a look and there have been Iowa receivers in the pros. (If DJK didn't have all his problems he would have gotten a look) Your risk taking comment is really vague and I don't see that as a determining factor in if you can play or have the ability skills/size to go to the next level. And as far as CBs go Iowa has put a bunch of them in the pros. Bradley, Spievey, Godfrey, Hyde, Prater, just to name some recent ones off the top of my head that all played corner in college. I know Lowery didn't get drafted but he'll be in a camp with a shot I'm sure. So if by Phil doing better you mean better then most every other program then you'd be right otherwise....
Why is it that so many people on this board and I know a few personaly that just don't understand that. ???
This is why Iowa doesn't get the gifted athlete: Iowa doesn't use the gifted athlete. I can't make it any plainer.
Why Lazar went to ISU. Why Morton went to Wisconsin. McNutt and DJK weren't WRs in high school. Neither made it in the NFL. Why Iowa DBs are always safeties in the NFL because, until Phil Parker, Iowa DBs weren't taught how to defend a receiver they were taught to defend an area. Matter of fact, very few Iowa DBs make it in the NFL.
This is why Iowa doesn't get the gifted athlete: Iowa doesn't use the gifted athlete. I can't make it any plainer.
Why Lazar went to ISU. Why Morton went to Wisconsin. McNutt and DJK weren't WRs in high school. Neither made it in the NFL. Why Iowa DBs are always safeties in the NFL because, until Phil Parker, Iowa CBs weren't taught how to defend a receiver they were taught to defend an area. Matter of fact, very few Iowa DBs make it as DBs in the NFL.
Finally, one position Ferentz can't develop at all: the gifted player.
This is why Iowa doesn't get the gifted athlete: Iowa doesn't use the gifted athlete. I can't make it any plainer.
Why Lazar went to ISU. Why Morton went to Wisconsin. McNutt and DJK weren't WRs in high school. Neither made it in the NFL. Why Iowa DBs are always safeties in the NFL because, until Phil Parker, Iowa CBs weren't taught how to defend a receiver they were taught to defend an area. Matter of fact, very few Iowa DBs make it as DBs in the NFL.
Finally, one position Ferentz can't develop at all: the gifted player.
You know how I feel on this issue. NOPE, I disagree.
Ferentz can develop all the 2-3 star recruits to play in his system because his system is a 2-3 star system.. not a lot of intricacies in his system. Not a lot of risk taking in his system.
You know how I feel on this issue. NOPE, I disagree.
Ferentz can develop all the 2-3 star recruits to play in his system because his system is a 2-3 star system.. not a lot of intricacies in his system. Not a lot of risk taking in his system.
QB and WR gets no love. CB get no love (usually, but Phil is doing better, there)
This is why Iowa doesn't get the gifted athlete: Iowa doesn't use the gifted athlete. I can't make it any plainer.
Why Lazar went to ISU. Why Morton went to Wisconsin. McNutt and DJK weren't WRs in high school. Neither made it in the NFL. Why Iowa DBs are always safeties in the NFL because, until Phil Parker, Iowa CBs weren't taught how to defend a receiver they were taught to defend an area. Matter of fact, very few Iowa DBs make it as DBs in the NFL.
Finally, one position Ferentz can't develop at all: the gifted player.
This is why Iowa doesn't get the gifted athlete: Iowa doesn't use the gifted athlete. I can't make it any plainer.
Why Lazar went to ISU. Why Morton went to Wisconsin. McNutt and DJK weren't WRs in high school. Neither made it in the NFL. Why Iowa DBs are always safeties in the NFL because, until Phil Parker, Iowa CBs weren't taught how to defend a receiver they were taught to defend an area. Matter of fact, very few Iowa DBs make it as DBs in the NFL.
Finally, one position Ferentz can't develop at all: the gifted player.
Going back to the source articles on the chances of being drafted in the NFL
Average chances for D1 programs.
5 star recruits = three in five
4 star recruits = one in five
3 star recruits = one in eighteen
2 star recruits = one in 32
Iowa under Ferentz
4 & 5 star recruits = one in four
3 star recruits = one in six
2 star recruits = one in six
There haven't been many five star recruits at Iowa and a believe they have all been offensive linemen. Injuries have taken a couple of those out of the picture.
A few straight forward observations.
The two and three star players offered by Iowa must have considerable raw talent for the odds of making the NFL to be as high as one in six. You would have a hard time finding a staff better at evaluating and developing raw talent.
Iowa's player development program is good for 4 & 5 star players, but statistically less of a freakish outlier. For higher rated recruits odds of getting into the NFL go up from an average of 20% to 25% at Iowa. That's on the high end of the statistical curve but not off the scale like it is for lower ranking recruits.
We know that Iowa produces a disproportionate number of NFL linemen both offensive and defensive along with a nice crop of tight ends. Productivity has been good at linebacker and Iowa's corners tend to be their most talented defensive backs and will often find their way into the NFL. They've had a few NFL players at RB, SS, FS, K, P, and a backup QB. If there is one position Iowa has been underrepresented it is at wide receiver.
We know that attrition has been one of the chief concerns over the last few years. The defensive line looks to be making it's way back to the expected quality. The running back load seems to be getting a little more spread out, to avoid wear and tear on the primary back. Iowa has been choosing players a little closer to home (within 400 miles) and fewer players with academic issues.
Am referring to Phil Parker the DC not Phil Parker the defensive backs coach... As coach under a coordinator (or head coach), one plays to the personality, the philosophy of the coordinator or head coach (at least in the Iowa situation).Epic fail. The CB comment just oozes stupidity. Phil has been in charge of the defensive backs for a very long time...