Feds now involved with the field hockey case

[Hawkfnntn]

Just because the university decided to pay her 'not-for-cause termination' stipulation doesn't mean the university gets off free of any repercussions. In fact, if she can prove that there is a double-standard being applied to her that wasn't applied to her male counterpart then she can file a wrongful termination suit. And to be honest, I think she has a pretty strong case.

PS, if a couple football players complained to Barta right after Iowa won the Orange Bowl and said that KF was mean to them and he straight up cancelled KF's contract and told him to hit the bricks then I would absolutely 'get on my high horse' about that. The fact of the matter is KF doesn't have the on the field success that Greisbaum did and he had more controversy (see Rhabdo) and he's still got a job.

The whole precedent thing is just tough... How does one definitively do that? Comparing football coaches to womens field hockey is not even close to the same. The culture of dealing with 100 something male football players is just going to be a ton different then 20 or so (i'm not sure how many are on it)field hockey females of the same age. And that's not even bringing into account the money factor which I'm sure is the end all be all. I'm not saying that should or shouldn't be. Just stating the obvious.

The way I see it is once she and her relationship with her superior (albeit not her direct superior but she was above her in athletic department) was outed (they were less then truthful about it as far as disclosing it from the git go) she seemed to think she was or should have been untouchable. Well that shouldn't have a darn thing to do with weather you can have a job or lose it. So many gays seem to think they can use that as a tool to make themselves untouchable. Employers are scared to hire them but even more scared not to. Then they are that much more scared to fire them if they need to cause they know they'll march right down to get a lawyer and bring up a discrimination suit they'll end up having to settle on...

My prediction is Barta is (at least he should be) looking for a soft landing somewhere else now. So if he can get someone else to hire him he's gone. And if he's still here long enough for the new president whomever that ends up being hired is to fire him then I think that'll happen within 6 months of that. I don't think he'll be around for this deal to get resolved as these usually take forever...

 

[MiniMoeHawk]

Just because the university decided to pay her 'not-for-cause termination' stipulation doesn't mean the university gets off free of any repercussions. In fact, if she can prove that there is a double-standard being applied to her that wasn't applied to her male counterpart then she can file a wrongful termination suit. And to be honest, I think she has a pretty strong case.

PS, if a couple football players complained to Barta right after Iowa won the Orange Bowl and said that KF was mean to them and he straight up cancelled KF's contract and told him to hit the bricks then I would absolutely 'get on my high horse' about that. The fact of the matter is KF doesn't have the on the field success that Greisbaum did and he had more controversy (see Rhabdo) and he's still got a job.

Didn't the players who had the issues wtih Rhadbo admit to taking supplements that were not approved? How is that on KF?

 

[Tierney]

Just because the university decided to pay her 'not-for-cause termination' stipulation doesn't mean the university gets off free of any repercussions. In fact, if she can prove that there is a double-standard being applied to her that wasn't applied to her male counterpart then she can file a wrongful termination suit. And to be honest, I think she has a pretty strong case.

PS, if a couple football players complained to Barta right after Iowa won the Orange Bowl and said that KF was mean to them and he straight up cancelled KF's contract and told him to hit the bricks then I would absolutely 'get on my high horse' about that. The fact of the matter is KF doesn't have the on the field success that Greisbaum did and he had more controversy (see Rhabdo) and he's still got a job.

It depends on who you have to prove something to. When there are agendas to something, the outcome has pretty much been decided before the investigation has begun. What's happening in Baltimore with the police force is a pretty good example. The policemen were going to be charged before they had the investigation, but a lot of people are dead because the Obama style of government has gone against common sense when it involves law and order. There are a lot of things the government is trying to change because some people think its the way it should be whether it makes sense or not. The female coach has stated that she thought she was fired because she was homosexual and having a relationship with another female that works for the university. They might be saying that they are looking at gender discrimation, but I think the federal government got involved because she is gay.

 

[NEIChawk]

 

[AdamHawk]

The way I see it is once she and her relationship with her superior (albeit not her direct superior but she was above her in athletic department) was outed (they were less then truthful about it as far as disclosing it from the git go) she seemed to think she was or should have been untouchable. Well that shouldn't have a darn thing to do with weather you can have a job or lose it. So many gays seem to think they can use that as a tool to make themselves untouchable. Employers are scared to hire them but even more scared not to. Then they are that much more scared to fire them if they need to cause they know they'll march right down to get a lawyer and bring up a discrimination suit they'll end up having to settle on...

I don't even know where to start with this. To be honest, it goes against my better judgement to even converse with someone of this mindset but I digress. So your opinion is that she thought she was untouchable. Where does this come from? Was it her multiple infractions that she scoffed at? Was she critical of the AD before she got fired? To me, it seemed like she ran a pretty tight ship where she not only avoided controversy for the most part but also racked up conference championships in the process.

I won't get into your problem with the 'gays'. Sounds like an issue you need to work on with yourself.

 

[AdamHawk]

It depends on who you have to prove something to. When there are agendas to something, the outcome has pretty much been decided before the investigation has begun. What's happening in Baltimore with the police force is a pretty good example. The policemen were going to be charged before they had the investigation, but a lot of people are dead because the Obama style of government has gone against common sense when it involves law and order. There are a lot of things the government is trying to change because some people think its the way it should be whether it makes sense or not. The female coach has stated that she thought she was fired because she was homosexual and having a relationship with another female that works for the university. They might be saying that they are looking at gender discrimation, but I think the federal government got involved because she is gay.

Did she actually say this? Because I must've missed it.

 

[NEIChawk]

 

[uihawk82]

It depends on who you have to prove something to. When there are agendas to something, the outcome has pretty much been decided before the investigation has begun. What's happening in Baltimore with the police force is a pretty good example. The policemen were going to be charged before they had the investigation, but a lot of people are dead because the Obama style of government has gone against common sense when it involves law and order. There are a lot of things the government is trying to change because some people think its the way it should be whether it makes sense or not. The female coach has stated that she thought she was fired because she was homosexual and having a relationship with another female that works for the university. They might be saying that they are looking at gender discrimation, but I think the federal government got involved because she is gay.

Holy Jesus Bat Crap, are you serious????!!! How do you connect Barta firing this coach, to Baltimore police chasing someone not committing a crime and probably killing him, to then Obama's stance on crime leading to lots of people being dead. There is no logic there.

How about this, it is said that over 100,000 Iraqis died from Cheney and Bush's made up invasion of Iraq plus 5000+ american soldiers dead and 30000 injured. Now there was some policy that lead to a lot of death's and the coffers getting lined from Halliburton to other defense contractors. Get real Tierney. Bush had every right to go into Afghanistan and he had a quick victory, he should have worked to modernize and help the Afghans and leave them in great shape, not make up lies to because some of his advisors wanted to get Saddam.

 

[BEATHARDTEAMS]

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[AdamHawk]

Holy Jesus Bat Crap, are you serious????!!! How do you connect Barta firing this coach, to Baltimore police chasing someone not committing a crime and probably killing him, to then Obama's stance on crime leading to lots of people being dead. There is no logic there.

How about this, it is said that over 100,000 Iraqis died from Cheney and Bush's made up invasion of Iraq plus 5000+ american soldiers dead and 30000 injured. Now there was some policy that lead to a lot of death's and the coffers getting lined from Halliburton to other defense contractors. Get real Tierney. Bush had every right to go into Afghanistan and he had a quick victory, he should have worked to modernize and help the Afghans and leave them in great shape, not make up lies to because some of his advisors wanted to get Saddam.

I just ignored that part Tierney's pile of nonsense because it was too ridiculous to even respond to. That and I didn't want to turn this thread into a full on political debate.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I don't even know where to start with this. To be honest, it goes against my better judgement to even converse with someone of this mindset but I digress. So your opinion is that she thought she was untouchable. Where does this come from? Was it her multiple infractions that she scoffed at? Was she critical of the AD before she got fired? To me, it seemed like she ran a pretty tight ship where she not only avoided controversy for the most part but also racked up conference championships in the process.

I won't get into your problem with the 'gays'. Sounds like an issue you need to work on with yourself.

For her to be fighting her termination and having brought up the discrimination aspect of it is in and of itself a way to look at that is it not? It's me reading between the lines but I think she thought because she's gay and has a relationship with the woman that was just under Barta that she thought she was untouchable. Coaches can get fired for any and all kinds of reasons. Good coaches with winning records get fired too. I know this is pros and not a college example but Thibs in Chicago got canned for what? He had like a .730 win percentage when Derek Rose was in the lineup for him. He was fired for just not getting along with management pretty much... And that sort of firing has happened in the college ranks too. I just can't think of an example right off the top of my head. So that is completely irrelevant and I wish people would quit bringing that up. We have no idea what her convos with Barta may or may not have been. But Barta was her boss and could let her go like he did. Her being a woman or gay or anything else doesn't matter and now she's just playing those cards cause it's all she has to play.

 

[uihawk82]

For her to be fighting her termination and having brought up the discrimination aspect of it is in and of itself a way to look at that is it not? It's me reading between the lines but I think she thought because she's gay and has a relationship with the woman that was just under Barta that she thought she was untouchable. Coaches can get fired for any and all kinds of reasons. Good coaches with winning records get fired too. I know this is pros and not a college example but Thibs in Chicago got canned for what? He had like a .730 win percentage when Derek Rose was in the lineup for him. He was fired for just not getting along with management pretty much... And that sort of firing has happened in the college ranks too. I just can't think of an example right off the top of my head. So that is completely irrelevant and I wish people would quit bringing that up. We have no idea what her convos with Barta may or may not have been. But Barta was her boss and could let her go like he did. Her being a woman or gay or anything else doesn't matter and now she's just playing those cards cause it's all she has to play.

Who was under who?? I am getting confused.

(I couldnt help it)

 

[Tierney]

I just ignored that part Tierney's pile of nonsense because it was too ridiculous to even respond to. That and I didn't want to turn this thread into a full on political debate.

I agree that its pretty ridiculous, but that's the world we live in. If you would start to read the papers or listen to the news you might understand what I'm talking about. It isn't really worthwhile debating someone that doesn't know what they are talking about or really doesn't care about it anyway. There are lots of Christians that have been killed overseas by the United States abandoning them overseas, and there have been a lot of people murdered in the United States because of Obamas views on proper law enforcement. Obama pushes his agenda including his view on gay rights. The world would be a lot different if the United States would of elected an adequate president.

 

[DDThompson]

Yep. Classic case of False Left-Right Paradigm.

Agreed. It is "us vs. them". Has been for awhile.

 

[AdamHawk]

For her to be fighting her termination and having brought up the discrimination aspect of it is in and of itself a way to look at that is it not? It's me reading between the lines but I think she thought because she's gay and has a relationship with the woman that was just under Barta that she thought she was untouchable. Coaches can get fired for any and all kinds of reasons. Good coaches with winning records get fired too. I know this is pros and not a college example but Thibs in Chicago got canned for what? He had like a .730 win percentage when Derek Rose was in the lineup for him. He was fired for just not getting along with management pretty much... And that sort of firing has happened in the college ranks too. I just can't think of an example right off the top of my head. So that is completely irrelevant and I wish people would quit bringing that up. We have no idea what her convos with Barta may or may not have been. But Barta was her boss and could let her go like he did. Her being a woman or gay or anything else doesn't matter and now she's just playing those cards cause it's all she has to play.

Why did he let her go then? Was it simply because she was hard on a couple former players? If that's the case, why aren't coaches at the university being fired left and right?

To say that fighting for her job is in some way indicative of her thinking she's untouchable is a hell of a reach to say the least.

 

[AdamHawk]

I agree that its pretty ridiculous, but that's the world we live in. If you would start to read the papers or listen to the news you might understand what I'm talking about. It isn't really worthwhile debating someone that doesn't know what they are talking about or really doesn't care about it anyway. There are lots of Christians that have been killed overseas by the United States abandoning them overseas, and there have been a lot of people murdered in the United States because of Obamas views on proper law enforcement. Obama pushes his agenda including his view on gay rights. The world would be a lot different if the United States would of elected an adequate president.

Or you could say that all these Christians who are being killed are a result of Bush/Cheney's lies to send us into an unjustified war that destroyed an entire flawed yet stabilizing government, forcing a displaced militia into extremism which directly led to the creation of ISIS. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of an epic rant. Carry on.

 

[SpecialKHawk]

In the immortal words of AI.....

Field Hockey. We talkin bout Field Hockey. Not a revenue sport, not played by Iowans sport, Field Hockey. I know I am supposed to care and all but we talkin bout Field Hockey.

 

[deanvogs]

Or you could say that all these Christians who are being killed are a result of Bush/Cheney's lies to send us into an unjustified war that destroyed an entire flawed yet stabilizing government, forcing a displaced militia into extremism which directly led to the creation of ISIS. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of an epic rant. Carry on.

Ranting about Bush/Cheney lies and solider's died in a thread about Barta and firing a field hockey coach.....Might wanna stop lecturing others about facts and rants in your glass house.

 

[HomerChampless]

Hey AdamHawk and Tierney, it's guys like you who have brewed the toxic political atmosphere we have in the USA. Thanks for nothing.

Let's talk about this field hockey thing... although it's pretty hard to do so with all the politics swirling around.

At least my point (probably many other's on this thread): let's allow law enforcement to enforce all the laws and not pick and choose the laws they want to enforce (while ignoring other laws) and/or make up some laws as they go along and enforce them.

Someone earlier on this thread mentioned a facist state. An good example of a facist state (like Nazi Germany) is a state that picks and chooses the laws they want to enforce and makes up others they enforce... like today, in America. The people are no longer making laws. The state is. Of course, the state is intimating they know better than the people... Now you've got me talking political smack.

 

[lightning1]

I am not a Barta supporter by any stretch but I find this whole lawsuit and controversy to be absolutely ridiculous. So if Barta kept the coach and not backed the player who alleged abuse would he have been sued by that player instead for fostering a hostile environment? This is an absolute lose only situation.

It's an interesting situation. The players are basically arguing that a female coach cursing and using tough language and methods with female athletes, is no different than what male coaches are allowed to do with male athletes. That certainly falls under the purview of titlelx.
And there have been other complaints by female staff, towards Gary Barta, IIRC.
I think this is a good thing because the coach can't fight or file a complaint if she ever wants to coach again. That would effectively place the Scarlet Letter on her for other ADs. This investigation allows the coach, players and AD/other employees to be interviewed by a 3rd party. The truth will come out that way. Barta can't intimidate or influence these interviews when future federal funding is on the line.