HawkPrdatr40
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Maybe I watch maybe I don’t but like I said not 1 player on Iowa would turn down the opportunity to play in the Bowl Game and put that uniform on one more time and if it’s against Central Michigan so be it.
Fans Aren't More Disappointed Than Guys Playing the Game
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Maybe I watch maybe I don’t but like I said not 1 player on Iowa would turn down the opportunity to play in the Bowl Game and put that uniform on one more time and if it’s against Central Michigan so be it.
DJI9424
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Absolutely, especially when it is clear that game planning and play calling was the main reason for "poor execution". Accountability for the entire coaching staff is lacking; under KF the reason for failure is almost always due to players not executing properly. I can go along with that thought when they false start or when the WR runs the wrong route or drops a well thrown pass, but not when you're consistently running Wadley into 8 and 9 men fronts or being shredded in pass coverage, that is on the coaching staff.
Bottom line, KF will sometimes admit the responsibility for a poor game resides with him, but does he really mean it or is it just a bone to take the heat off of his staff? If he really accepts that it is his responsibility, then it's his responsibility to get it corrected, and that is primarily a function of effectively directing his staff to prepare the team properly, with the primary aspect of that being a game plan that exploits the opponent's weaknesses and tendencies.
Unfortunately, I believe he is doing all he can to protect BF from being criticized by the media, and if that's true, he is not helping his cause by sheltering him from being held accountable. There's nothing like failure and being held accountable for your part in it to giving someone the needed motivation to improve. As has been said by countless people, failure is a given, it's how you respond to it that matters. I think it's way past time that KF gives his team, his staff, the media and the fans some thoughtful and candid answers. Anything less just makes he and his staff less worthy of the positions they hold today.
HawkGold
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You sure flipped that around.
Wow
Maybe you missed the Penn State game?
are you serious? it's the coaching staff not leading
ArvadaHawk
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huck, i have not seen anyone on this board bashing players, especially, for not trying hard. your comment is simply unwarranted and argumentative. so, i'll take the bait. fans are overwhelmingly tired of the failures of this staff and the hc, in particular. fans are upset that our staff mismanages games, game plans, personnel decisions and game day, on a routine basis. fans are tired of beating OSU, UM and PSU, then losing to little sisters of the poor. Fans are tired of "winning one we shouldn't and losing one we shouldn't. Being critical of a player that drops a pass or misses a block or tackle is not railing on players and isn't an inherent call to question of their determination, dedication or integrity.
So please stop with the straw man argument that fans who have legitimate beefs with this staff, born over 19 years of evidence, are simultaneously railing against the players.
As for Albert Young, yeah, that would suck and it would hurt. But that is life and something I'd bet he learned from. When you have a job to do, you need to do it well or someone will point it out. And, you can't please all of the people all of the time. And, you must persevere through the tough times. Do you think hearing boos is as bad as having a boss angry with your job performance, and letting you know it, while you're thinking about supporting your wife and kids?
NCHawker
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Thanks Okst, I agree with your points. At the same time I'd like to identify a senior on offense who has consistently lead by example - that is to say through consistent high level of play. Not sure anyone fits the bill
RobHowe
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The coaches are the ones responsible for teaching fundamentals and recruiting the players they believe they can teach to be better. It's a developmental program, meaning the coaches need to develop the players they choose to recruit. The players certainly are not without fault, but in college football, where the coaches make a lot of money to decide who to bring into the program and then coach them up, they should receive the brunt of the responsibility when things don't go well. Two years ago, KF won the Dodd national coach of the year award when things were going well. Now, he and his staff are on the hook for the failures. That's how it works, IMO.
RobHowe
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Can't argue your point about players being available and the coordinators not talking. Most programs make their coordinators available.
Motigerhawk
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It is the coaches job to put the players in a position to succeed. Rarely does this happen at Iowa. I never blame a player. But I yell pretty loudly about the coaches.
A basic statement about coaching "Its the player when we win, its the coaches fault when we lose." This is not what FKF does. He blames the players when we lose.
And I agree about throwing players to the press and not the OCs. Who is more emotional after a loss? I think the players who have put in the blood and sweat. But they are expected to man up and sit and answer questions AND stick to the company line.
There are so many things wrong with this program right now. And maybe it is just the pea in the mattress thing. But everything seems wrong right now.
A basic statement about coaching "Its the player when we win, its the coaches fault when we lose." This is not what FKF does. He blames the players when we lose.
And I agree about throwing players to the press and not the OCs. Who is more emotional after a loss? I think the players who have put in the blood and sweat. But they are expected to man up and sit and answer questions AND stick to the company line.
There are so many things wrong with this program right now. And maybe it is just the pea in the mattress thing. But everything seems wrong right now.
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In college football you have to lay the blame at the feet of the guys getting paid. No doubt there. But I think you bring up a very valid point. This season, more than other frustrating seasons, I've noticed player mistakes that just make you shake your head.
SheagleHawk
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Or any leader. Watch that most recent interview of Stanley. I'm sure he's a great kid, but he is clearly not a vocal leader. I imagine he doesn't inspire much confidence in huddles, and highly doubt he commands attention when things things go wrong or guys aren't doing the things they should. This team could've used a personality like Tate at QB this year.
#1DieHardHawk
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The coordinators definitely should be made available, but it's a moot point unless the press is willing to put them on the spot and ask the tough questions.
Like a lot of fans, I'm occasionally flabbergasted by the lack of certain questions after a game. I delve into every transcript expecting to hear questions about certain puzzling decisions or strategy during the game, only to get to the end and the questions were never posed. Even though we know that the answers generally end up being some kind of vague non sequitur explanation, it would be nice to at least see them made uncomfortable occasionally, and get the message that we are paying attention.
RobHowe
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I can't anymore, man. I'm sorry. I'm worn out by this narrative. You guys have at it.
#1DieHardHawk
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the press staff, per se. I think most fans understand the fine line with which reporters work. Asking tough, pointed questions rarely results in satisfactory answers, and runs the risk of damaging relationships with the coaches. At the same time, as fans we view the reporters as our proxy to the coaches and occasionally enjoy seeing them put on the hot seat, just a little.
seepig
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First and foremost DON'T read my posts snowflake. you obviously don't read all my posts. What Rick Heller has done with the baseball program is nothing short of amazing. Lisa Bluder does a solid job....while we are not a threat to win a national championship anytime soon she has recruited well and the team is competitive. Even what KF and staff has done like 2 seasons ago was amazing and he absolutely did rebuild the Iowa football program. If you can find a bunch of negative posts during that season please pull and post. Although I may have called out a particular individual for specific performance related actions I don't attack anyone personally. My comment about the punter isn't all on the poor kid punting. But yes when the 2015-16 PPK winner who was a girl punted 31.2 yards and a D1 college athlete can't avg. better than that yeah that's a failed performance. And NO KF doesn't accept responsibility most of the time so your take is just that yours. When questioned about certain in game calls he has been short on explanation many times. At least Andy Reid just flat out says yep bad game plan my fault.
seepig
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UH OH negative post! Here you go snowflake.
For me, it’s always more on the coaches than it is on the players. They recruit these teenagers with the idea of training them and molding them into a team. That’s their job. They get paid a lot to do it. I’m not saying it’s easy or that I could do it, but it’s their job to do it.
-Rob Howe
well stated Rob
seepig
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Spot on!
Fryowa
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@RobHowe has explained it a million times, it's not about going easy on coaches or not wanting to get "credentials pulled" (has that ever happened?), it's the fact that no matter what you ask, if Ferentz doesn't like the question you're not going to get the answer you want. He just won't answer it.
If you want to see for yourself call in to the radio show. I'm assuming you haven't listened to it before, because if you had you would know that he will answer those sorts of questions even more vaguely than a question from a reporter during a presser.
If you think you or a reporter is going to make a Big Ten football coach uncomfortable, or if you think he doesn't already know a whole bunch of fans hate him, you're in left field. You don't coach in a P5 conference for 20 years without not giving a shit what people think about you.
