Excellent podcast Jon.....

[TheIowaHawkGuy]

I certainly would never hope Iowa hits rock bottom. I will never root against Iowa. What the OP and Deace were saying is if Barta and the athletic admin don't do something to change the stale and lackluster culture that has become Iowa football (and it continues to worsen) then Iowa hitting rock bottom may be the only option to force a change of large scale. Deace uses the what Michigan had to go through as an example where the fans finally forced a big change. Some ADs are completely tone deaf until it can't get worse.

 

[Playmaker]

All I say to those that think it's sacrilegious to root for bottoming out is don't bit** and moan when KF is back for another year due to skating by at 7-5 when you could have sacrificed one sorry Bowl game...and drubbing...had they just gone 5-7. Were those 2 extra wins and another Tennessee type a** kicking worth yet ANOTHER wasted year and terrible recruiting class? I say hell no...wake up people!!!

 

[damnfinn]

when Deace proclaimed Chizik the Savior of ISU football and guaranteed a Big Eight title in a few years, he pretty much lost me for good.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

I disagreed with the negativity on the last Podcast. Sounded like someone got up on the wrong side of the bad.

Did you disagree with the negativity or the message?

 

[HaydenHawk56]

Deace didn't agree with you. He said he rooted against the LIONS, for reasons of getting better draft pick and getting the GM and such fired. I didn't hear him say he rooted against Michigan.

The fans gain NOTHING by Iowa hitting rock bottom. We don't get draft picks, it won't change the culture of Iowa, it is just the opposite it makes everything 100x tougher. Just look at how Lick buried the BB team and that is damn hard to dig out of. Hitting rock bottom is the LAST THING ANY TRUE FAN should root for.

I think what is getting lost in the shuffle here in some of these posts is no one is saying Iowa will get draft picks if they tank. The point being made is if Iowa tanks......it could lead to a coaching change...thus a new regime that could build the program back up. This does not mean a new coach will succeed with 100% certainty though. However, without change, Iowa would never have gotten rid of Lick to get Fran (which has shown some noticable improvement for sure).

It is all a crap shoot and no one has a crystal ball. But, you more or less know what you got with Ferentz. The question is are you willingly to roll the dice and see if you can't improve your odds of success? Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose on this. I think we lost here with Mr. Davis.

I will say this....if Iowa gets on a roll this year that is one thing. But, the interesting thing will be if they sitting at a certain point during the year where a win or two may lead to another crappy bowl vs losing a game or two may lead to under .500 for sure....which outcome do you vote for considering the long term future of the program? I think Playmaker brings up an interesting point here (and what SD alluded to in the podcast).

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I like what Deace has to say. Like you said, he's very good at analyzing what he sees. He doesn't have a bias toward Iowa like fans do and that way can provide a realistic viewpoint toward Iowa and what much of non-Iowa college football fans and media see in Iowa. I value the perspective of non-Iowa fans, keeps things realistic.

Exactly my thought process too. It gets boring getting the same perspective from guys that are 100 percent in your corner. Deace backs up his opinions with facts and logic. And of course he's not always right. When it comes to sports nobody is. I'd already acknowledged that. How much money would any of us be willing to put down that Iowa will have closer to 10 wins this year then 6? I think that's my main point that I'm taking away from what he analyzed. I will be more surprised if Iowa wins 9 or 10 games then if they only were to win 6 or 7. And 7 is what Jon has predicted... I see no difference between 6 or 7 honestly. For this team going into this schedule to only win either of those amounts should be embarrassing and unacceptable... Just because I think that is the more logical win total along with those guys doesn't mean I'm rooting for it to happen either. I can think with my head and not my heart.

 

[Hawknick]

Both, I like the additional focus on academics and integrity. In addition to that I believe that Iowa will win a lot more games than what he said they would.

 

[NCHawker]

Both, I like the additional focus on academics and integrity. In addition to that I believe that Iowa will win a lot more games than what he said they would.

What additional focus are you speaking of? mention in a survey? hardly.

 

[Hawknick]

Yes the survey was mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, they don't like the survey where as I do.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

I think what is getting lost in the shuffle here in some of these posts is no one is saying Iowa will get draft picks if they tank. The point being made is if Iowa tanks......it could lead to a coaching change...thus a new regime that could build the program back up. This does not mean a new coach will succeed with 100% certainty though. However, without change, Iowa would never have gotten rid of Lick to get Fran (which has shown some noticable improvement for sure).

It is all a crap shoot and no one has a crystal ball. But, you more or less know what you got with Ferentz. The question is are you willingly to roll the dice and see if you can't improve your odds of success? Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose on this. I think we lost here with Mr. Davis.

I will say this....if Iowa gets on a roll this year that is one thing. But, the interesting thing will be if they sitting at a certain point during the year where a win or two may lead to another crappy bowl vs losing a game or two may lead to under .500 for sure....which outcome do you vote for considering the long term future of the program? I think Playmaker brings up an interesting point here (and what SD alluded to in the podcast).

Comparing the last five years to the Lickliter b-ball years is apples to oranges, not to mention football hasn't tanked nearly that much.

Playmaker isn't bringing up an interesting point. He's gloating about the fact Deace agrees that fans should root for Iowa to lose so KF will be gone.

Which, of course, begs the question: at what level do you feel the program "tanks"? Playmaker intimates that 7-5 is "tanking". I disagree. It's not world-beating, by any stretch, but it also isn't "tanking".

If you had told nearly ANY Hawkeye fan in 1980 that the team would average 7 wins for eternity, with occasional Rose/BCS-level bowls, they would have...
1) Laughed, because nobody thought it would happen, and
2) Once a certain level is attained, people expect it to continue into eternity, which, in our case, simply isn't realistic

Yes, the past few seasons have been frustrating. But can people really say 2013 was "bad", especially after 2012? And is as disappointing as the finish to the 2014 season was, as some have pointed out, with two games to go in the regular season, Iowa was still in the hunt to go to the BIG Championship Game.

Rooting for your team to lose just so the HC will be gone is not being a "fan". Well, maybe in some reality-show universe it is, I guess.

If this board were a "reality show", Haymaker would have been "voted off the island" (along with a couple others).

 

[MiniMoeHawk]

Yes the survey was mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, they don't like the survey where as I do.

You sure are a character....The survey is an absolute joke for the school. Even your over the top optimism shouldn't like the survey. I still can't believe it was even sent out.

 

[MiniMoeHawk]

Deace said 13 SEC teams are going to be bowl eligible....Might as well add that to the pile of misses.

 

[deanvogs]

All I say to those that think it's sacrilegious to root for bottoming out is don't bit** and moan when KF is back for another year due to skating by at 7-5 when you could have sacrificed one sorry Bowl game...and drubbing...had they just gone 5-7. Were those 2 extra wins an another Tennessee type a** kicking worth yet ANOTHER wasted year and terrible recruiting class? I say hell no...wake up people!!!

If you think 5 wins is bottoming out, you don't understand what rock bottom is........The Iowa program would be hard pressed to recover from a 0 or 1 win season that you are wanting, all so you can get Barta to hire some MAC level nobody and hope he can build a winner. If you think Stoops or Bret are coming here after a 0 or 1 win season, you are even more delusional than you seem.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

This might be the first time I've read this about Deace on this site. But I guess everyone's an expert if they're criticizing KF.

I don't care for Deace, sometimes because of his attitude, sometimes he just sounds like a twit. Not my kind of guy.

But like it or not, he's dead on with some of his observations and analsis.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Yes the survey was mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, they don't like the survey where as I do.

Why on earth would you like that? It is such a condescending thing to put out now or ever. To try and sell that garbage is because it's all they have to sell. Your just eating out of their hands... Graduation rate is irrelevant to me. Don't sell me that. That's not what fans care about when they buy tickets or watch games on tv. I only think about that when someone else brings it up. If the kids that are playing are eligible that's good enough for me. They don't flash all the players GPAs on the screen. Just their stats during the game. Only once in a while will they mention if a kid is like all academic this or that and if they have a really hard major... But they sure aren't listing all of em and nor should they it would bore everyone to death. Lets focus more on winning and less on trying to sell that crap nobody (should) care about but the kids parents.

 

[Playmaker]

bob62 said -------If you had told nearly ANY Hawkeye fan in 1980 that the team would average 7 wins for eternity, with occasional Rose/BCS-level bowls, they would have...
1) Laughed, because nobody thought it would happen, and
2) Once a certain level is attained, people expect it to continue into eternity, which, in our case, simply isn't realistic

Ok, Bob.....do you think the University of Miami is happy with their current state of affairs? What about Colorado? Both schools that pretty much sucked...especially Miami in the 70's....then went onto National Championships....now are mediocre again. Do you think it's o.k. for their fans to only expect 7 wins just because they once sucked? Whilst totally ignoring the fact that winning at the highest level was obtainable. Iowa fans need to quit acting like second class citizens where their athletic teams and expectations are concerned...it is embarrassing.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

You know what...I don't get the "bottoming out to get rid of Ferentz stuff". Last year we had three new linebackers that hadn't played a lick...and a corner and a safety who hadn't played...and we won 7 games. News flash, Iowa depends on defense to win games and stay in games. So this year, you need two DTs to step up...and a safety who will be about 5 times better (at least in the run game) than the guy we had back there last year. If I'm not mistaken, there are four DT's with legit size (two were four star guys) that should be able to hold their own. The linebackers will be much much better too having had a chance to go through another spring and fall camp. Guess what, we lose a couple of DE after the coming year, but everyone else is back. Defense is looking up...way up.

If you look at the offense, sure there are going to be some growing pains with the two new OTs, but the nucleus is there...and guess what...in 2016 we will have a ton coming back...with some young players at the skill positions. There's no bottoming out happening.

Deace is an idiot.

 

[PCHawk]

If i could have my pick between going 6-6 for 4 more years then getting a new coach, and going 4-8 this year and getting a new coach right away, I would choose the latter. That said I could never root against us, it would just be a hindsight thing. Like I wish we went 4-8 last year and had a new coach this year. My main hope though is we go 10-2ish the next 2 years because CJ is better than Chuck Long. After that Kirk only has a couple more years anyway so we can get a new coach without hitting rock bottom.

 

[PCHawk]

You know what...I don't get the "bottoming out to get rid of Ferentz stuff". Last year we had three new linebackers that hadn't played a lick...and a corner and a safety who hadn't played...and we won 7 games. News flash, Iowa depends on defense to win games and stay in games. So this year, you need two DTs to step up...and a safety who will be about 5 times better (at least in the run game) than the guy we had back there last year. If I'm not mistaken, there are four DT's with legit size (two were four star guys) that should be able to hold their own. The linebackers will be much much better too having had a chance to go through another spring and fall camp. Guess what, we lose a couple of DE after the coming year, but everyone else is back. Defense is looking up...way up.

If you look at the offense, sure there are going to be some growing pains with the two new OTs, but the nucleus is there...and guess what...in 2016 we will have a ton coming back...with some young players at the skill positions. There's no bottoming out happening.

Deace is an idiot.

Kirk will probably find a way to lose to a couple bad teams, it's very possible we won't win our share of 50/50 games, and we aren't good enough to beat the good teams because even when we play good enough to get in position to win them, Kirk will probably still find a way to lose. That is the negative but very possible way to look at it.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

You know what...I don't get the "bottoming out to get rid of Ferentz stuff". Last year we had three new linebackers that hadn't played a lick...and a corner and a safety who hadn't played...and we won 7 games. News flash, Iowa depends on defense to win games and stay in games. So this year, you need two DTs to step up...and a safety who will be about 5 times better (at least in the run game) than the guy we had back there last year. If I'm not mistaken, there are four DT's with legit size (two were four star guys) that should be able to hold their own. The linebackers will be much much better too having had a chance to go through another spring and fall camp. Guess what, we lose a couple of DE after the coming year, but everyone else is back. Defense is looking up...way up.

If you look at the offense, sure there are going to be some growing pains with the two new OTs, but the nucleus is there...and guess what...in 2016 we will have a ton coming back...with some young players at the skill positions. There's no bottoming out happening.

Deace is an idiot.

And a starting QB that only won 5.5 of those 7 games and was lucky to do that. Do you forget just how fortunate we were to beat Ball St? Do you recall losing to ISU at home? Look, there are still some bright spots in the program, but they aren't adding up to wins. The dark spots ARE adding up to losses. Iowa football is broken right now. You may think our current head coach can fix what he broke. I don't think he has it in him. And if he does, then why did he let 34-30 (19-21) happen? Wasn't he paying attention the past 5 seasons?