Excellent podcast Jon.....

[hawkeyebob62]

I don't care for Deace, sometimes because of his attitude, sometimes he just sounds like a twit. Not my kind of guy.

But like it or not, he's dead on with some of his observations and analsis.

Yeah, Deace DOES have his "strong" areas. He definitely has an ability to delve into various aspects of the game. Still, he has that rare ability to inspire dislike on a near-constant basis. But, much as he has his "hack" qualities, he is not a complete idiot by any means.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Looks like everyone on here just forgot about 2002-2004. Guess people don't like three straight top ten finishes anymore.

I'd say 10 years is a little past the mark for how long 'good will' lasts. The kids he's recruiting now were like 5-8 years old back then... Have to put time in perspective when bringing that up. There have been coaches fired with more 'good will' (for lack of a better term) built up then what KF has during that same time period.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

First, I don't CARE about Miami or Colorado. And Miami was THE poster child for an unethical (to be "nice") program and how it works. Colorado had issues, as well.

WHY do you cite OTHER programs/fans? Why can't you just stick to the Iowa program? Why bring Deace in as "expert"?

You aren't an Iowa fan. We all get that. It isn't hard to discern via your posts.

So I guess the last question is, just what is that makes you feel "embarrassed"?

Miami and Colorado had a great brawl at Boulder in the early 90's. Highly recommend watching it on youtube. The Rock is out there, but it's just a great fight. They don't do em like that any more, bunch of ******* playing football today.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Uh, yeah. Your scenario at this point is nothing but status quo for most of the last 10 years.

I'm sure this will be well received by a few on here but the epitome of how bad of a coach Ferentz is was seen in the 2009 season. Yes, a BCS season that resulted in an Orange Bowl victory.

Iowa was EXTREMELY talented in 2009. The NFL draft and our First team All Conference selections validated that. Despite all that talent Iowa needed to pull miracles, some of which had never been done before in the history of college football, and get the amount and kind of breaks that can take several seasons to accrue to pull out games against teams that had no business being on the field with us.

UNI, Arkansas State, a putrid Michigan team, ready to go down 21 to IU until a blown TD call turned the game, struggling at home vs. Minnesota, not putting the GT game away late despite dominating them on the field. Way too many games against inferior competition that we struggled to pull out and needing all those breaks to do so was proof that Ferentz ball just doesn't work.

The 2010 team despite being just as talented as 2009 didn't get any of those breaks and simply couldn't overcome the idiocy of Kirk Ferentz.

Iowa Football is dead. They just haven't claimed the body. There will be no Ferentz 3.0. His time has come and gone. He's just cashing checks and laughing all the way to the bank at this point.

<<Despite all that talent Iowa needed to pull miracles...>>
See "Ohio State, 2002"

<<(R)eady to go down 21 to IU until a blown TD call turned the game>>
You and Lou Holtsch saw it the same way. After extensive replay showing the IU receiver's knee hitting the ground out-of-bounds before gaining control/possession, everyone else was able to exhale.

<<Iowa football is dead>>
I thought fans and tradition made comebacks from 1998-like seasons possible?

<<He's just cashing checks and laughing all the way to the bank at this point>>
Spend much time on "income inequality" forums? Unless you're contributing a significant portion of ANYone's salary, why do you care? And when did it become your business? Were you on of those guys who thought it wasn't "fair" when one of your pals had more beer money than you? Do you count how many pizza slices each person in your group has had?

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Miami and Colorado had a great brawl at Boulder in the early 90's. Highly recommend watching it on youtube. The Rock is out there, but it's just a great fight. They don't do em like that any more, bunch of ******* playing football today.

Yah, pretty much ANY type of brawl footage with The Rock will be a youtube success!

 

[deanvogs]

I agree with your percentage that we will likely end up about the same with a new coach. I think the odds of us being better or worse are both 15% though. The reason being the landscape of the conference now. You don't have to be near as good now to finish the same as back then.

I also think Kirk's bad traits that held him back in the past are even worse now. Because of that, i think the odds of Kirk keeping us where we've been over the last 30 years are about 5%. Which in my opinion is less likely (and more boring) than a random new coach.

That said, the odds of a new coach getting us in the top 10 as many times as Kirk did are very small. I think Kirk kinda got lucky to do that though so it doesn't really factor into my decision to want a new coach much.

I can see 15% both for improving or going in the gutter. More than likely if we get anyone who is decent to good at running a program, we will stay the course what Hayden and Kfootball have been.

I am also on board from moving on from Kfootball because of what you said, and I have little confidence that Kfootball can keep the program at the level it was. We really should have been better 2 years ago and last year for sure, and it was coaching that kept us from winning more. Playing a FB at RB for the past 2 years is really inexcusable. You recruit right the F over Weisman after he was pressed into service 3 years ago. Couple that with a poor offensive scheme, and bad game day management, and you are where Iowa is at.

 

[DBAHawkFan]

I can see 15% both for improving or going in the gutter. More than likely if we get anyone who is decent to good at running a program, we will stay the course what Hayden and Kfootball have been.

I am also on board from moving on from Kfootball because of what you said, and I have little confidence that Kfootball can keep the program at the level it was. We really should have been better 2 years ago and last year for sure, and it was coaching that kept us from winning more. Playing a FB at RB for the past 2 years is really inexcusable. You recruit right the F over Weisman after he was pressed into service 3 years ago. Couple that with a poor offensive scheme, and bad game day management, and you are where Iowa is at.

Agree completely. While we haven't had the talent of the early 2000s, or the 2008-2010 teams.....neither has the Big10, minus tOSU. There is no excuse that we can't compete for the division title each year. Even though we were in the race for the West through November, it never really felt like we had a chance....

and most of that comes from lack of confidence in our staff and the schemes. To me, it feels like every game is a chance for this staff to find a way to lose, either from previous, known lapses in judgement, or new ways to lose (KF trying to ice the ISU kicker).

I just want a staff that can adapt to the game, and the players on the team. The example of MW as our primary rusher is the number one example of our staff unable to adjust. I honestly don't know what happened in 2004. 2015 KF would have run Sam Brownlee 600x instead of letting Drew Tate dink and dunk to replace the running game.

 

[hawkeye4life68]

Looks like everyone on here just forgot about 2002-2004. Guess people don't like three straight top ten finishes anymore.

LOL. Yeah, let's get a parade for Ferentz setup over things that were accomplished 10,11 and 12 years ago and have only been accomplished once since.

 

[hawkeye4life68]

<<Despite all that talent Iowa needed to pull miracles...>>
See "Ohio State, 2002"

<<(R)eady to go down 21 to IU until a blown TD call turned the game>>
You and Lou Holtsch saw it the same way. After extensive replay showing the IU receiver's knee hitting the ground out-of-bounds before gaining control/possession, everyone else was able to exhale.

<<Iowa football is dead>>
I thought fans and tradition made comebacks from 1998-like seasons possible?

<<He's just cashing checks and laughing all the way to the bank at this point>>
Spend much time on "income inequality" forums? Unless you're contributing a significant portion of ANYone's salary, why do you care? And when did it become your business? Were you on of those guys who thought it wasn't "fair" when one of your pals had more beer money than you? Do you count how many pizza slices each person in your group has had?

Impressive use of the multi-quote function there Bob. Guess they didn't teach you high level skills like those in your English classes?

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Impressive use of the multi-quote function there Bob. Guess they didn't teach you high level skills like those in your English classes?

In other words, you have no argument for the points you made that I refuted. Cool.

 

[tksirius]

Where is the poll?

 

[hawkeye4life68]

In other words, you have no argument for the points you made that I refuted. Cool.

I'm not interested in engaging with those not even capable of using a button. Thanks for the offer though.

 

[Playmaker]

Bob - I brought up Miami and Colorado to show that expectations can and do change once a program actually DOES show it can be done at the highest level. Iowa showed that in 2002-2004....so why now are we supposed to be thankful for the fact that at least its not the 1960's or 1970's and simply forgive extremely mediocre football?

 

[deanvogs]

Bob - I brought up Miami and Colorado to show that expectations can and do change once a program actually DOES show it can be done at the highest level. Iowa showed that in 2002-2004....so why now are we supposed to be thankful for the fact that at least its not the 1960's or 1970's and simply forgive extremely mediocre football?

Should Colorado be happy in their craptitude because they were once very good? Should Colorado be unhappy if they could ever manage to get back to 7, 8 or 9 wins, because they were once dominate?

I don't get the dumb azz logic that if fans "demand" more than somehow the team will win National Championships. LOL if you actually think the fan bases produce wins and losses.

 

[Playmaker]

Good grief vogs....quit reading so much into what I am saying. My point is that between 2001 and 2004 Iowa was a Top 10 program....they had playmakers/difference makers....whatever you want to call them....on both sides of the ball. Bottom line is that they proved they could match up with 95%+ teams in the nation. Roll forward 10+ years and apologists act as if Iowa has no facilities, no fan base, no money, nothing attractive to offer anyone except maybe some 1 star from Solon who is trying to either lose or gain 20 lb.s so he can maybe avoid playing out of position. All this while having the added advantage of avoiding OSU, Michigan, and Michigan St. on our schedule for a few years. And to answer your first question, of course Colorado fans should be mad....you just don't hear much from them now because the majority of them are front runners who never really took their football seriously anyway until they got good.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

I guess we'll all just have to watch and see what happens. A lot of unknowns, and unfortunately a few knowns, are about to play out in a couple months.

I hope like helll we see some success and changes, but I can't honestly say I'm overly confident well see anything much different than the aggregate of the last 10-20 years.

8 wins, specifically for this year, in my opinion, is the barometer. 6-7 is predictable and dissappointing, 8 is about what I think we should be all thing considered this year, 9+ should be considered excellent, This Year.

I do believe that less than 6 wins, KF is, and should go, either on his own or forced. I also believe that 6 wins should be considered massive failure, and even if it should, will not cause the immediate end of KF's tenure. As much as it will bother people, 7 wins, which I consider to be a disappointment This Year, would be enough to keep him.

We'll see soon.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Bob - I brought up Miami and Colorado to show that expectations can and do change once a program actually DOES show it can be done at the highest level. Iowa showed that in 2002-2004....so why now are we supposed to be thankful for the fact that at least its not the 1960's or 1970's and simply forgive extremely mediocre football?

Fair point. But I think where we differ is that I don't really "expect" Iowa to be a 9-win team on a regular basis. I DO expect 8-win seasons, though, with a 12-game schedule. That assumes 3-1 non-con, 5-3 B1G. With the 9-game conference schedules coming, I really don't expect 9 wins year-in/year-out. I just don't.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Good grief vogs....quit reading so much into what I am saying. My point is that between 2001 and 2004 Iowa was a Top 10 program....they had playmakers/difference makers....whatever you want to call them....on both sides of the ball. Bottom line is that they proved they could match up with 95%+ teams in the nation. Roll forward 10+ years and apologists act as if Iowa has no facilities, no fan base, no money, nothing attractive to offer anyone except maybe some 1 star from Solon who is trying to either lose or gain 20 lb.s so he can maybe avoid playing out of position. All this while having the added advantage of avoiding OSU, Michigan, and Michigan St. on our schedule for a few years. And to answer your first question, of course Colorado fans should be mad....you just don't hear much from them now because the majority of them are front runners who never really took their football seriously anyway until they got good.

Again, this where we differ. We can certainly have Top 10 seasons, but we are not a Top 10 "program". Just my opinion, of course, but we are, at best, a Top 25 program. We simply aren't going to be a Top 10 program for the long haul. But it doesn't mean we should be "happy" to settle for 7-5 all day long, either.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

I'm not interested in engaging with those not even capable of using a button. Thanks for the offer though.

FUnny, I'm not interested in "engaging" with those not even capable of forming a cogent argument. See ya.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

Again, this where we differ. We can certainly have Top 10 seasons, but we are not a Top 10 "program". Just my opinion, of course, but we are, at best, a Top 25 program. We simply aren't going to be a Top 10 program for the long haul. But it doesn't mean we should be "happy" to settle for 7-5 all day long, either.

I want to know exactly why Iowa can't be a top 10 program for the long haul? Nebraska showed it could be done in a cold weather state. It is all about taking advantage of opportunities when you have the chance....something the Badgers have done quite well with in both of their major sports. We have had our chances to seize the day in the Ferentz Era (09 at the Shoe, a highly talented 2010 squad that tanked similar to 97 team, the few years coming off 02-04....in particular -2005-2006 teams, all come to mind).

When Iowa gets on a signifcant big stage...they choke. And, Iowa struggles against teams they are suppose to beat on a regular basis. But, they have been in the mix, they just need someone to lead them over the hump and more or less keep them there. Imagine if we just beat the teams we are suppose to beat on a regular basis how much different things would be looking right now.