Excellent podcast Jon.....

The team also lost four close games last year that they easily could have won. The program is no where near the "doom and gloom" that Miller and Deace are professing. Are there issues, yes...should CJ have been starting after the Purdue game, absolutely.

If you want to point to recruiting...perfect. It's been an issue for awhile. You have some things that have been done to shore that up...facilities, focus, etc. I'm not even a Ferentz supporter like die hard guys, but I actually look at the team that will hit camp in August and think they have a chance to be pretty good. I really believe that. If we had a D1 running back last year, we would have won 8 at least. We had no running game because we were so subpar at the running back position...period.
 
vogs - I seriously do not think this program would be in any worse shape trying to recover from a 2 win season then they would a 7 win season. Why? I will tell you why.....recruiting! Iowa has been recruiting the last 5 years like a team that loses 10 games....please, tell me how I am wrong. I see teams much worse than Iowa who have at least 1 guy on offense that can take it to the house if he gets behind the defense....Iowa's threats, if you want to call them that...need a 10 yard head start. Look, I already said earlier on that I am not cheering against the team from the start of game 1....however, if we start out 1-3 or 2-2 it is really in the best interest of the future of Iowa football to just let this bi*** burn to the ground.
 
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vogs - I seriously do not think this program would be in any worse shape trying to recover from a 2 win season then they would a 7 win season. Why? I will tell you why.....recruiting! Iowa has been recruiting the last 5 years like a team that loses 10 games....please, tell me how I am wrong. I see teams much worse than Iowa who have at least 1 guy on offense that can take it to the house if he gets behind the defense....Iowa's threats, if you want to call them that...need a 10 yard head start. Look, I already said earlier on that I am not cheering against the team from the start of game 1....however, if we start out 1-3 or 2-2 it is really in the best interest of the future of Iowa football to just let this bi*** burn to the ground.
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Iowa seemed to recover pretty well from a hideous 3 win season in 98 when a younger, less moronic, Kirk Ferentz surrounded by quality asst. coaches like Philbin and Parker brought us back.

Iowa has enough resources, facilities, tradition and fan support to survive a 2-3 win season. It's all about making a good hire. Something I'm almost sure Gary Barta can't do but am so burned out on Ferentz that I'm willing to risk anything that might happen even with that dolt making the hire.
 
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You know what...I don't get the "bottoming out to get rid of Ferentz stuff". Last year we had three new linebackers that hadn't played a lick...and a corner and a safety who hadn't played...and we won 7 games. News flash, Iowa depends on defense to win games and stay in games. So this year, you need two DTs to step up...and a safety who will be about 5 times better (at least in the run game) than the guy we had back there last year. If I'm not mistaken, there are four DT's with legit size (two were four star guys) that should be able to hold their own. The linebackers will be much much better too having had a chance to go through another spring and fall camp. Guess what, we lose a couple of DE after the coming year, but everyone else is back. Defense is looking up...way up.

If you look at the offense, sure there are going to be some growing pains with the two new OTs, but the nucleus is there...and guess what...in 2016 we will have a ton coming back...with some young players at the skill positions. There's no bottoming out happening.

Deace is an idiot.
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News flash but Norm Parker isn't coaching this defense any more.
 
hawkeye4life68 said:
Iowa seemed to recover pretty well from a hideous 3 win season in 98 when a younger, less moronic, Kirk Ferentz surrounded by quality asst. coaches like Philbin and Parker brought us back.

Iowa has enough resources, facilities, tradition and fan support to survive a 2-3 win season. It's all about making a good hire. Something I'm almost sure Gary Barta can't do but am so burned out on Ferentz that I'm willing to risk anything that might happen even with that dolt making the hire.
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If we lose a bunch I really hope that the loses are because terrible coaching. Something like a loss from terrible clock management, a loss from overtime after we sat on the ball, and a loss where we went ultra conservative in a game we were dominating. I want it to be completely obvious that we had the talent for a better record and coaching decisions caused a bunch of unnecessary loses. So basically like most other years I guess.
 
Hi Kermit the Frog here. Just wanted to weigh in on this thread and Kirk Ferentz:

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PCHawk said:
If we lose a bunch I really hope that the loses are because terrible coaching. Something like a loss from terrible clock management, a loss from overtime after we sat on the ball, and a loss where we went ultra conservative in a game we were dominating. I want it to be completely obvious that we had the talent for a better record and coaching decisions caused a bunch of unnecessary loses. So basically like most other years I guess.
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Uh, yeah. Your scenario at this point is nothing but status quo for most of the last 10 years.

I'm sure this will be well received by a few on here but the epitome of how bad of a coach Ferentz is was seen in the 2009 season. Yes, a BCS season that resulted in an Orange Bowl victory.

Iowa was EXTREMELY talented in 2009. The NFL draft and our First team All Conference selections validated that. Despite all that talent Iowa needed to pull miracles, some of which had never been done before in the history of college football, and get the amount and kind of breaks that can take several seasons to accrue to pull out games against teams that had no business being on the field with us.

UNI, Arkansas State, a putrid Michigan team, ready to go down 21 to IU until a blown TD call turned the game, struggling at home vs. Minnesota, not putting the GT game away late despite dominating them on the field. Way too many games against inferior competition that we struggled to pull out and needing all those breaks to do so was proof that Ferentz ball just doesn't work.

The 2010 team despite being just as talented as 2009 didn't get any of those breaks and simply couldn't overcome the idiocy of Kirk Ferentz.

Iowa Football is dead. They just haven't claimed the body. There will be no Ferentz 3.0. His time has come and gone. He's just cashing checks and laughing all the way to the bank at this point.
 
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Uh, yeah. Your scenario at this point is nothing but status quo for most of the last 10 years.

I'm sure this will be well received by a few on here but the epitome of how bad of a coach Ferentz is was seen in the 2009 season. Yes, a BCS season that resulted in an Orange Bowl victory.

Iowa was EXTREMELY talented in 2009. The NFL draft and our First team All Conference selections validated that. Despite all that talent Iowa needed to pull miracles, some of which had never been done before in the history of college football, and get the amount and kind of breaks that can take several seasons to accrue to pull out games against teams that had no business being on the field with us.

UNI, Arkansas State, a putrid Michigan team, ready to go down 21 to IU until a blown TD call turned the game, struggling at home vs. Minnesota, not putting the GT game away late despite dominating them on the field. Way too many games against inferior competition that we struggled to pull out and needing all those breaks to do so was proof that Ferentz ball just doesn't work.

The 2010 team despite being just as talented as 2009 didn't get any of those breaks and simply couldn't overcome the idiocy of Kirk Ferentz.

Iowa Football is dead. They just haven't claimed the body. There will be no Ferentz 3.0. His time has come and gone. He's just cashing checks and laughing all the way to the bank at this point.
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I actually agree with this. The one thing you didn't mention though is how good of a job he did to put that good of a team together. I actually think the chances of finding a coach as good as Kirk at fielding teams is pretty slim. Even if we do, the chances of that coach being loyal to Iowa is even slimmer. It's just that Kirk is just such a god awful game day coach that it makes it way more likely that a new coach will be more successful. I think it's an almost certainty a new coach will be as successful (average wins wise) and way more fun to watch.
 
I would really like to see what some of these pundents predicted for the 2002 and 2009 teams. I imagine that there were a lot of 6 or 7 win predictions then too. These guys are not that good at predicting win totals. They underestimate Iowa often. They have this year wrong too. Us true Iowa fans with a better working knowledge of the team can do a better job. I know I predicted that the 2002 and 2009 teams would be great.
 
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vogs - I seriously do not think this program would be in any worse shape trying to recover from a 2 win season then they would a 7 win season. Why? I will tell you why.....recruiting! Iowa has been recruiting the last 5 years like a team that loses 10 games....please, tell me how I am wrong. I see teams much worse than Iowa who have at least 1 guy on offense that can take it to the house if he gets behind the defense....Iowa's threats, if you want to call them that...need a 10 yard head start. Look, I already said earlier on that I am not cheering against the team from the start of game 1....however, if we start out 1-3 or 2-2 it is really in the best interest of the future of Iowa football to just let this bi*** burn to the ground.
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If you could actually tell me for certain that the program would be built back up and be better than what Fry and Kfootball produced over the last 35 years, then I'd be with you. As it stands I'd give it about a 5% shot that we could actually be better than the last 35 years (we simply don't have a good enough recruiting base to be much better), about a 70% shot we would be about the same as the last 35 years (we have enough fan support, facilities and money that I say Iowa should always be at least what we have been the last 35 years), and about a 25% shot we descend into a Lickliteresque depression that we spend 10 years mired in (any program can descend into the darkness with the wrong coach, see Michigan).

If you look at it realistically you just ride out the bad results at the end of the Kfootball era. If he gets to 7 wins this year, with the HUGE drop off in attendance we are going to see, Barta just might have to pull the trigger this year anyway. Either way, I simply can't root against my Hawks. This isn't just about Kfootball, it is about the kids that put on the black and gold every week and work their azzes off, I just can't root against them, and their efforts.
 
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I would really like to see what some of these pundents predicted for the 2002 and 2009 teams. I imagine that there were a lot of 6 or 7 win predictions then too. These guys are not that good at predicting win totals. They underestimate Iowa often. They have this year wrong too. Us true Iowa fans with a better working knowledge of the team can do a better job. I know I predicted that the 2002 and 2009 teams would be great.
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A lot of people on here predicted the '06 and '12 teams closer than you.
 
deanvogs said:
If you could actually tell me for certain that the program would be built back up and be better than what Fry and Kfootball produced over the last 35 years, then I'd be with you. As it stands I'd give it about a 5% shot that we could actually be better than the last 35 years (we simply don't have a good enough recruiting base to be much better), about a 70% shot we would be about the same as the last 35 years (we have enough fan support, facilities and money that I say Iowa should always be at least what we have been the last 35 years), and about a 25% shot we descend into a Lickliteresque depression that we spend 10 years mired in (any program can descend into the darkness with the wrong coach, see Michigan).

If you look at it realistically you just ride out the bad results at the end of the Kfootball era. If he gets to 7 wins this year, with the HUGE drop off in attendance we are going to see, Barta just might have to pull the trigger this year anyway. Either way, I simply can't root against my Hawks. This isn't just about Kfootball, it is about the kids that put on the black and gold every week and work their azzes off, I just can't root against them, and their efforts.
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I agree with your percentage that we will likely end up about the same with a new coach. I think the odds of us being better or worse are both 15% though. The reason being the landscape of the conference now. You don't have to be near as good now to finish the same as back then.

I also think Kirk's bad traits that held him back in the past are even worse now. Because of that, i think the odds of Kirk keeping us where we've been over the last 30 years are about 5%. Which in my opinion is less likely (and more boring) than a random new coach.

That said, the odds of a new coach getting us in the top 10 as many times as Kirk did are very small. I think Kirk kinda got lucky to do that though so it doesn't really factor into my decision to want a new coach much.
 
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I don't care for Deace, sometimes because of his attitude, sometimes he just sounds like a twit. Not my kind of guy.

But like it or not, he's dead on with some of his observations and analsis.
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.
 
Hawknick said:
I would really like to see what some of these pundents predicted for the 2002 and 2009 teams. I imagine that there were a lot of 6 or 7 win predictions then too. These guys are not that good at predicting win totals. They underestimate Iowa often. They have this year wrong too. Us true Iowa fans with a better working knowledge of the team can do a better job. I know I predicted that the 2002 and 2009 teams would be great.
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And what were your predictions for the last 3 years? If Iowa has a great year this year it'll be a product of the schedule being so weak. I don't see Iowa blowing people out so even if Iowa wins 9 or 10 games they won't be ranked very high or have much national respect as it wouldn't be deserved. Who's going to be the best team Iowa plays next year and beats? Both Wisky and Nebraska have new coaches but should be decent and I have little confidence we can beat them on the road.... Outside that it's Pitt and the middle/bottom of the BIG is all we play.

We may have better 'knowledge' of the team but the black and gold glasses many of us fans have clearly influences the way we look at things. I try to be rational and look at the whole picture but yet still root for my Hawks. Wanting them to win and thinking they can/will are two different things.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
Deace = Good at analyzing what he sees? He thought Devon Gardner would be the best QB in the league prior to last year...and had the most pro potential. Hell, OSU has three guys with better pro potential than Gardner. Never mind Hackenburg, Sudfield, or Lunt. He said Alabama was way overrated and had no business in the top 5 prior to last year and he wouldn't put them in the top ten. I dont' like Nick Saban at all, but the guy has the top talent every year, and he's a discipline guy...guess what...that means he's going to have his guys ready to play every week. Alabama makes the final four.

I'm sorry, Deace is a bit of a hack.
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He also said, right after ISU hired Chizik, that Chizik was a great hire. Like the guy in some ways but Deacer is as wrong as often as the rest of us are on football prognositications.
 
Playmaker said:
bob62 said -------If you had told nearly ANY Hawkeye fan in 1980 that the team would average 7 wins for eternity, with occasional Rose/BCS-level bowls, they would have...
1) Laughed, because nobody thought it would happen, and
2) Once a certain level is attained, people expect it to continue into eternity, which, in our case, simply isn't realistic

Ok, Bob.....do you think the University of Miami is happy with their current state of affairs? What about Colorado? Both schools that pretty much sucked...especially Miami in the 70's....then went onto National Championships....now are mediocre again. Do you think it's o.k. for their fans to only expect 7 wins just because they once sucked? Whilst totally ignoring the fact that winning at the highest level was obtainable. Iowa fans need to quit acting like second class citizens where their athletic teams and expectations are concerned...it is embarrassing.
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First, I don't CARE about Miami or Colorado. And Miami was THE poster child for an unethical (to be "nice") program and how it works. Colorado had issues, as well.

WHY do you cite OTHER programs/fans? Why can't you just stick to the Iowa program? Why bring Deace in as "expert"?

You aren't an Iowa fan. We all get that. It isn't hard to discern via your posts.

So I guess the last question is, just what is that makes you feel "embarrassed"?
 
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