Embarrassed to be a Hawkeye fan...

You have to realize that most the this board is, at the very least, ok with kf. I know it's difficult to accept with the current condition of Iowa Football, but it's the truth at present. You and I and Ooth and a few others on here are in the extreme minority. So accept posts that put kf in a good light on here. Once you do, you won't be so surprised. I know this seems almost impossible to accept. And I can't think of another fan base that would be so behind a coach in his 15 year who has allowed a program to decline the way Iowa's has. But................this fan base very much behind kf. And you gotta accept this or else you're gonna go crazy trying to figure out why they post what they do.
I accept but don't like.... Iowa fans are like Cubs fans... They care more about winning the 'right way' than winning. This begs the question: what is the right way of winning, who gets to decide what the right way of winning is, why do they get to decide what the right way of winning is, and why is winning the right way better than just winning, baby?
 
To play devil's advocate here...what is more damaging to a program?

1. Recruits that come and go (only seem to be going lately) on an annual basis?

or

2. A head coach with an ego who can't win at home and coaches himself out of games regularly?
You want us to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea?
 
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I accept but don't like.... Iowa fans are like Cubs fans... They care more about winning the 'right way' than winning. This begs the question: what is the right way of winning, who gets to decide what the right way of winning is, why do they get to decide what the right way of winning is, and why is winning the right way better than just winning, baby?

What does this mean? I know hundreds of Cubs fans and I've never heard one say anything about winning the right way. They don't care. It's MLB, the right way to win is to have a good farm system and couple that with picking over small market teams for good free agents. That's it. Now some purist will say it's wrong to pick over a small market team, but Cubfan doesn't care. Cubfan's priorities at a ball game in order are:

1) Drinking beer
2) Waiting in line to pee
3) Scoping fur
4) Constantly checking the facebook to see how many "likes" they got when they tagged their location as "Wrigley Field" and posted a picture showing precisely where their seats are
5) Doing anything but watching baseball
6) Hoping they'll get to see the W flag flown as they leave so they can post a picture of it on the facebook.

Nowhere does winning the right way come into their thought process.
 
This is how far we have fallen as a program.

Quite a few of us are excited by the fact our offense looked somewhat competent for 1 1/2 Quarters of play. Remember we were down 10-0 with NIU going on another drive/series before Kirksey came up with the big play. That play changed everything in the 1st half. Iowa came alive on offense and scored 17 points after that play.

We scored 3 points after that. So the fact that we've settled for moral victories, or the fact that's all Iowa can muster up is pretty sad.

I'm willing to see how this year plays out in regards to KF and the staff. They are opening up the playbook with some longer passes, but are we really going to run a flea flicker every game? Will Powell be able to get open against big10 defenses? We shall see.

But what is hard to swallow is the same mistakes being made by this team. Special team blunders, odd play calling (the bomb on 3rd and 1, then punt), plays that haven't worked in years (bubble screen), lack of TE targets...etc etc.

Yes, we COULD have won, but our coaching gets in the way.
 
What does this mean? I know hundreds of Cubs fans and I've never heard one say anything about winning the right way. They don't care. It's MLB, the right way to win is to have a good farm system and couple that with picking over small market teams for good free agents. That's it. Now some purist will say it's wrong to pick over a small market team, but Cubfan doesn't care. Cubfan's priorities at a ball game in order are: You made a funny...

1) Drinking beer
2) Waiting in line to pee
3) Scoping fur
4) Constantly checking the facebook to see how many "likes" they got when they tagged their location as "Wrigley Field" and posted a picture showing precisely where their seats are
5) Doing anything but watching baseball
6) Hoping they'll get to see the W flag flown as they leave so they can post a picture of it on the facebook.

Nowhere does winning the right way come into their thought process.
You made a funny... and try to get the Cubs outa Wrigley.
 
This is how far we have fallen as a program...for 1 1/2 Quarters of play. Remember we were down 10-0 with NIU going on another drive/series before Kirksey came up with the big play. That play changed everything in the 1st half. Iowa came alive on offense and scored 17 points after that play.

We scored 3 points after that. So the fact that we've settled for moral victories, or the fact that's all Iowa can muster up is pretty sad.

I'm willing to see how this year plays out in regards to KF and the staff. They are opening up the playbook with some longer passes, but are we really going to run a flea flicker every game? Will Powell be able to get open against big10 defenses? We shall see.

But what is hard to swallow is the same mistakes being made by this team. Special team blunders, odd play calling (the bomb on 3rd and 1, then punt), plays that haven't worked in years (bubble screen), lack of TE targets...etc etc.

Yes, we COULD have won, but our coaching gets in the way.
So, I'm guessin' you had no problems with the defense, since you didn't EVEN CRITIQUE them in your post......
 
The defense looked even worse than last year. Considering this was NIU and not Michigan or Penn State, we gave up way too many deep passes. Had their top WR not been injured, it might have been worse.

What we are seeing is a lack of talent being recruited on both sides of the ball. LB's have always been strong for Iowa, and it used to be Safety play too....but as of right now, these two safeties may be the weakest we've had in a long time.

I could also say the same coaching mistakes on defense. The lack of pass rush by front four (yes, maybe they were playing contain), lack of blizting on final drives which instead gave the QB plenty of time to find open WR down the field.

We showed some decent blitz packages on saturday, again something that has changed from years past. I used to dislike how we'd just walk the blitzing LB up to the LOS 15 seconds on the play clock. This last game I was surprised at some of the blitzes, which meant NIU probably was too!

But then last few drives of the game and we go prevent. Happens every game.

So no, the defense did it's usual too. While they had some good moments, they again failed when we needed a stop.
 
Maybe Iowa's defense won't have to worry much about Missouri State, since coach Allen is in his, what, second year, but then again Allen had a great passing attack at UNI.
 
This is how far we have fallen as a program.

Quite a few of us are excited by the fact our offense looked somewhat competent for 1 1/2 Quarters of play. Remember we were down 10-0 with NIU going on another drive/series before Kirksey came up with the big play. That play changed everything in the 1st half. Iowa came alive on offense and scored 17 points after that play.

We scored 3 points after that. So the fact that we've settled for moral victories, or the fact that's all Iowa can muster up is pretty sad.

I'm willing to see how this year plays out in regards to KF and the staff. They are opening up the playbook with some longer passes, but are we really going to run a flea flicker every game? Will Powell be able to get open against big10 defenses? We shall see.

But what is hard to swallow is the same mistakes being made by this team. Special team blunders, odd play calling (the bomb on 3rd and 1, then punt), plays that haven't worked in years (bubble screen), lack of TE targets...etc etc.

Yes, we COULD have won, but our coaching gets in the way.

My thoughts exactly. This is kind of a make or break year for me in regards to KF. I think he's probably the classiest coach in college FB but the continued coaching blunders are getting hard to swallow.

When Michigan or Ohio St truck us over I understand it's because of a difference in talent, but we were the more talented team Saturday and in a lot of other games the past few years that we have lost.

Some may say that's just football, I'd say that's just coaching and for all the positive changes we saw Saturday, one thing didn't change the outcome that's 7 in a row and KF can say all he want's that with proper execution we win a lot of those close games. I also contend with proper coaching we would have won a lot more games as well.
 
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The last TD by NIU was on Lowery. He said he had been hurt or getting cramps a couple plays earlier and told the coaches he was ok to go but then preceded to give up two pass plays. He said after that he should have come out sooner.
 
People seem to think there has been this horrible run by Iowa when the fact is they have had one bad season In the last sevetal years.
2010 didn't live up to preseason expectations but that wasn't a bad year. 2011 they weren't supposed to be that good and they one 7 and went to a bowl game. Probably right about where they should have been. Maybe should have one more win.
Last year was the only bad year.
And there were lots of reasons for that, attrition, the offense being a jumble and a lack of talent in large part due to attrition.
 
Legendary coach (and 2012 National Coach of the Year) Bill Snyder just lost to FCS North Dakota State. They must be extra embarrassed to be Wildcat fans.

I'm disappointed in the NIU outcome, the fake punt, and the last play call, but heartened by Rudock's debut and overall team offensive progress.

Bad losses happen to every team. Just not twice a year every year. The same way.
 
People seem to think there has been this horrible run by Iowa when the fact is they have had one bad season In the last sevetal years.
2010 didn't live up to preseason expectations but that wasn't a bad year. 2011 they weren't supposed to be that good and they one 7 and went to a bowl game. Probably right about where they should have been. Maybe should have one more win.
Last year was the only bad year.
And there were lots of reasons for that, attrition, the offense being a jumble and a lack of talent in large part due to attrition.

I think this is probably the reason why there is at least some anger..............................................................................................................................................Some comments from the article that really hurt to read........"1. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa – Since the $4 Million Dollar Man’s…Kirk Ferentz….Iowa football team beat Indiana on November 6, 2010 in Bloomington, IN the $4 Million Dollar Man’s….Kirk Ferentz…records at Iowa are…
Overall: 12 – 18
Big Ten: 6 – 13
…and in case anyone is counting the Hawkeyes loss to Northern Illinois on Saturday was Iowa’s…
7 th Straight Loss!
….going back to the end of the 2012 season." AND "Kirk Ferentz….signed that contract his Iowa football team have put up the following records:
Overall: 19 – 20
Big Ten: 10 – 14
…and among those 19 wins over the past three plus seasons are wins over powerhouses like…
I-AA (FCS) Northern Iowa
Northern Illinois
I-AA (FCS) Tennessee Tech
La. Monroe
I-AA (FCS) E. Illinois
Ball State"
 
Bad losses happen to every team. Just not twice a year every year. The same way.


Exactly. It's unreasonable to think Iowa (or any team) can win all the games against inferior opponents (and we know who these teams are).

The issue most Iowa fans have is KF record against the basement dwellers of our league and of smaller conferences.

Northwestern has become a decent program, but that has only happened recently....and they beat us at home too.

But Minnesota, Indiana, ISU, Western Michigan, Central Michigan.....these are all schools that Iowa should have a much larger winning winning percentage against, and in some cases we don't even have a winning record.

Just imagine how much better our seasons could have been in the past if we didn't P*$$ away games against bad ISU, UI, MN...etc
 
This year's schedule is quite a bit tougher, so they can easily be significantly better and not show it in the win column. But you can see many of the pieces for the next couple seasons falling into place. Personally, I think this season could be at least somewhat similar to 2000, where we could see what Ferentz was cooking, even if it wasn't ready to be served yet. A positional breakdown for guys who will still be here for next season or 2015:

QB: Rudock handled himself pretty well for playing his first game in 3 years. He could end up being something special, as I believe many of his issues last week were the result of inexperience and can be pretty easily ironed out.

RB: Weisman and Bullock are here for one more year. I'm very excited to see what LeShun Daniels brings to the table. The hype he was garnering in camp as a young Shonn Greene was certainly enough to grab my attention.

WR: KMM has another year and so does Powell, who I think could develop into a big-play threat similar to C.J. Jones. Smith has two more, and his ceiling is very high, IMO. Hillyer is a guy who I've had an eye on as a sleeper for some time, and he got several targets last week. It'll be interesting to see how he gets used this season.

TE: Krieger-Coble and Duzey both have two years remaining, and Hamilton has one. It remains to be seen how much the tight end will be featured in this offense, though. It needs to be more prominent than it's been.

OL: Never too worried about this unit. But Scherff has (presumably) one more year, but Walsh and Blythe (who looked very good last week) are both just sophomores and Donnal is also back for one more year.

DL: This group was definitely improved last week, and we have a slew of guys who are sophomore or younger (Cooper, Ott, Ekakite, Johnson, Meier) and both Davis and Trinca-Passat have another year. The future could be quite bright for this group.

LB: Definite reloading to do here after this season. Alston has one more season, but after him, IDK.

DB: Lomax is only a sophomore, and I think he's the next lockdown corner for this defense. King played pretty well for a true freshman when he was forced into action last week, and Draper wasn't bad, either. All of those guys have at least two years left. Safety is a question mark, but we don't know yet how Lowdermilk will pan out. Rueben Lile and Maurice Fleming are also in the wings. Parker has a very good track record with our defensive backs, so I think the odds of getting less than 2 stars from this group are pretty long. Lomax and one of Lile and Fleming should blossom over the next few years, at the very least.


I still think this team wins 5 or 6 games this year, which isn't a huge step forward in wins; but neither was going from 1 win to 3. It's next season and the year after where I think we'll see a serious uptick in the win column. I don't see Ferentz getting a serious extension if that kind of success does materialize, either. I don't know if it's something that can be done, but I'd maybe give him an "extension", with something in the fine print that says he will step down when his current deal expires in 2020 (or sooner, if he so chooses) and include a very small buyout. That could ward off the lame duck period in recruiting.

I agree with everything you state here. There are positives happening. However, I'm to the point that I'm tired of talking about moral victories.

Losers sit at home and talk about moral victories. Winners get to go bowling and boink the homecoming queen.
 
I agree with everything you state here. There are positives happening. However, I'm to the point that I'm tired of talking about moral victories.

Losers sit at home and talk about moral victories. Winners get to go bowling and boink the homecoming queen.

I can tell you are from Dubuque (this is from a native Dubuquer!). ;)
 
Can I get my name changed to clonetransplant? I am so embarrassed being a hawkeye fan I don't want to be called Hawktransplant on here anymore.
 
Until Iowa wins a big game (define that how you will) and gets to a bowl game better then a toilet bowl this fan base will be pretty on tilt for awhile.. I can see the big picture and I'm not against the overall shift Ferentz is trying to get the team to go.

Ding ding ding! Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

Many seem to forget we watched them take on a top-30 team (NIU just missed both the AP and the Coach's Top 25 this week). And many of the classic complaints (nice list buy the OP) did not exist for this game. Some of the complaints about last year's offense (no deep balls, only three and five yard outs) were not part of that game, either.

Chuck Long hit one big nail on the head today as well — this team can be much better than it was a year ago (and the Hawks are) but with the schedule they have it may not be translated in the number of wins.

I've suffered through some really, really bad football in my life. Some really, really bad teams (Tabor College was THE WORST. Ever. No argument. The records back that statement up). This Iowa team is, at this time, mediocre for FBS. However, this team is much better than one year ago. And that's not the end of the 2012 season, that's one year ago today.

This team needs to improve every week if they want be respected. You can not force a watershed moment, but when that watershed breaks for Iowa, I will revel in what I see.
 

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