Eickholt Rivals reports Fran says he is not movinh on
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NorthKCHawk
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What is he supposed to say right now while the season is still going?
The guy is going to get whatever his contract says, so not sure what negotiations there will be. Whether he wants to stay or not, its up to Beth. If she sees what most of us see, what Beth will say is that you deserve to go out on your terms, so please retire/resign and we will throw you a party and wish you well. Don't force me to fire you.
The guy is going to get whatever his contract says, so not sure what negotiations there will be. Whether he wants to stay or not, its up to Beth. If she sees what most of us see, what Beth will say is that you deserve to go out on your terms, so please retire/resign and we will throw you a party and wish you well. Don't force me to fire you.
SwirlinLingerie
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Yep, if Fran isn't coaching at Iowa next year, the only real discussion next week will be Goetz saying we'd like to call it a retirement and have an amicable final press conference together. And Fran responding with either a screw you, here's the keys to my office and my university phone....or ok, sounds good, can I pick the food for the party? Because he's getting all his money either way.
NorthKCHawk
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Fran is a cerebral guy. He understands that this is a results oriented business and the results the last few seasons on and off the court are middling, at best. I cannot imagine he would be shocked if Beth pulled him into the office for this discussion. That said, he is a hot head and to my knowledge he has never been fired (only left for better gigs). Whether it is retirement or just your career ending due to age, it can be a hard thing for some folks to process. If the marriage is ending, I just hope both sides are incredibly classy.
Agree it’s smart business but I’m not really worried if he didn’t get all that he wanted. He’s probably made Somewhere between 40 and 50 million in his 15 years at Iowa. I imagine his retirement looks pretty good
NorthKCHawk
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If Fran's time is ending with Iowa, it was a very successful combination both ways. Fran took the program out of the dumpster and made it respectable for an extended period of time, and he was paid reasonably well for the good work that he did. All good things must come to an end, and most of the time in the coaching world they do not end on a good note.
InGoodCo
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Yeah, and it's not like Fran was paid anywhere near the top of the conference. The Fran era at Iowa was mutually beneficial, it's just run its course.
SwirlinLingerie
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I just look at it as he's still coach till he isn't. He's under no obligation to plan ahead now to retire/walk away. His contract goes through 28. The ball is in Beths court. That's what he's just acknowledging by saying what he did. Surely the hell Fran isn't oblivious to the 'noise' and overall situation.
He either doesn't want to leave or he's cool with it. Either way he's gonna get what he's got owed to him. How it goes down is just up to Beth. We are on her timeline. What'd fascinate me is if say the decision has been made for awhile like many of us think and what kind of back channeling has been done on her end reaching out to others. That'd be a tricky thing to do cause you wouldn't want that getting out. Not till you've let Fran go anyway. That part of it all just interests me.
She seems to be pretty by the book so maybe she hasn't done any of that.
If they've done a good job at keeping that all quiet we'd never know but I'd like to think that since an inhouse hire isn't gonna happen that she's been kicking the tires on who else out there has interest. I know some have all their eggs in the DeVries basket but I'm just not so certain of that.
BigD
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The was no inkling the Lickliter was out despite how bad it was at the time. We are no where near that when comparing Fran's overall performance to Lickliter's. How many players did Lickliter coach up and get into the NBA??? Just think about it for awhile.
In fact earlier in the week before Lickliter was let go the University was saying that things are fine. At that point most of the fan base was reeling in pain and disbelief.
I am not saying this will be the same type of situation as Fran is still light years ahead of Lickliter.
In fact earlier in the week before Lickliter was let go the University was saying that things are fine. At that point most of the fan base was reeling in pain and disbelief.
I am not saying this will be the same type of situation as Fran is still light years ahead of Lickliter.
Unfortunately we are close to the way Lick left us. We are at the bottom of Big Ten and not likely to even qualify for Big Ten Tournament. Untalented team and if rumors prevail will be more untalented next year regardless of who coach is. Fan base is becoming very Apathetic and Carver has a ton of empty seats. Really a difficult position for anyone coaching next year
Fran has put a couple of players in NBA in his 15 years and I would agree is better than Lick who maybe was one of worst coaches of all time
The good thing about college basketball is that is easier to turn a program around than football would be. Won’t be next year but hope springs eternal that we find the right coach and do the things needed to make Iowa relevant
On the twitter verse folks were saying that Frans wife and daughter were at his press conference last night... Something they've probably never done before so that's kinda odd. I didn't see any of it but I did catch a part of what Izzo said and he of course doesn't want to see a coach like Fran gone. He went on and on for a few minutes about it.
He gave the 'be careful what you wish for' take. I look at it as it's just time. They've hit rock bottom with fan apathy and $ coming in. Now they aren't competing on the floor and can't even get into the BIG tourny let alone the NCAA one. It's yr 15 there's no 16 chances at it. It's time. Fran's like an old dog in that he's not going to make changes to how he conducts himself or coaching style. Scott lays out alot about how Frans put himself in this position on his recent pod with Rob Howe I encourage you all to check it out I see it on you tube.
Start the clock. I'd imagine between the next 2-3 weeks we'll hear something one way or another on Frans future.
He gave the 'be careful what you wish for' take. I look at it as it's just time. They've hit rock bottom with fan apathy and $ coming in. Now they aren't competing on the floor and can't even get into the BIG tourny let alone the NCAA one. It's yr 15 there's no 16 chances at it. It's time. Fran's like an old dog in that he's not going to make changes to how he conducts himself or coaching style. Scott lays out alot about how Frans put himself in this position on his recent pod with Rob Howe I encourage you all to check it out I see it on you tube.
Start the clock. I'd imagine between the next 2-3 weeks we'll hear something one way or another on Frans future.
Good post. Hopefully hear even quiker
Beth doesn't have any allegiances to Fran. I'd like to think if she's looking at her tenure from a selfish standpoint that delaying the inevitable and keeping Fran another yr wouldn't help in the least.. There's lots of angles to this sort of thing. None more important then hers since she's the decision maker. I don't think any high rolling booster is swooping in to try and sway opinions his way.
SwirlinLingerie
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I recall reading the same thing about Davis at the time. Probably in a Marc Hansen column. But that both parties benefited from the relationship - don't recall specifics, but likely along the lines that Davis was great for Iowa, gave the program some stability, continued a fun style of basketball, regularly made the tournament and always represented the school well. And in turn, Iowa gave Davis stability, financial security and a professional home in a profession that doesn't often allow for it.
All those things apply to the Iowa-Fran marriage, too.
BigD
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I feel that if Fran had just gotten to two or three sweet 16's, then FrAN apathy would be a lot less. The regular season is fun to be a part of, however the real fun begins in March where we get to watch all the season preparations and development of players as they are finally put on display.
Well, what is there to talk about with this aspect of the Iowa Men's Basketball Program? This program needs a major shot of March Madness Viagra.
We are close to the bottom this year, and a lot has to do with our best player getting hurt. With Lick, we were rock bottom for 3 straight years. We were light years from the middle of the pack. This year we were a couple bounces here and there and no injuries away from middle of the pack. Awful season for sure. But one bad season doesn't crater a program like Lick's three seas9ns did.
BigD
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When reviewing where we were before Fran came in, I think Fran gets one more year to try to right the ship. The challenge may be complicated with the threat of possible defections. Hopefully that won't happen.
The good and bad of defections is interesting. What superstar do we have that others programs will be licking their chops at??? So that bad news could be a partial good news. Experienced players have gained the know how on how to make up for a lack of five star talent. They can apply their experience to make up for being a step slower than the younger five and four star competition they are playing up against.
Will it be enough? Can some one tell me what stocks to buy in the major markets? Right now both parties, Iowa basketball and the stock market are in doubt. As much as I have loved my Hawkeyes over multiple of decades, I think I may have better luck sticking to the stock market. Still, I will be watching and cheering on Iowa football and Iowa basketball.
