uh, spark, other than what u said position ON club face, i think u made the exact point i did, i.e. skinny tiger ball go far. i guess i should have noted a heel, toe, high on face or low on face will impact distance but figured most knew that. thanks though!
Earl Wood's quote about Tiger's place in humanity is not just about golf
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uh, spark, other than what u said position ON club face, i think u made the exact point i did, i.e. skinny tiger ball go far. i guess i should have noted a heel, toe, high on face or low on face will impact distance but figured most knew that. thanks though!
Sparky
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I was really referring to the juiced balls and clubs.
OK, so you're saying today's equipment has not led to distance gains since 2000? there are guys on the senior tour hitting the farther than in their 30's. I guarantee you most of that is equipment.
Sparky
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Equipment has played a part in distance gains but not as much as the difference in players. Players today are bigger, strong, and faster allowing them to swing faster and hit the ball further. It's the same concept with other sports, equipment gets better but so does the athlete.
imported_ankle23
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I would bet a lot of money on Woods using PEDs. His physique has definitely changed, but the big thing is if a guy would cheat on his wife to the level this guy did, no doubt he'd cheat with PEDS. IMO.
wundergrape
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Do you seriously not see the difference in swings? Golf Channel shows classic tournaments all the time. Go back and watch a tournament pre-2000. The prevailing swing has totally changed, becoming more compact and faster through the ball. That's the power swing. It's a term that you don't know. No big deal.
C all it what you will, but the object of the game has been distance. As long as that's the case guys will be trying to get an edge. With balls, with equipment and especially with strength.
Seriously, you sound like those blind baseball announcers circa 2000 who said that the baseball was juiced.
knighthawk13
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Since 1995, the leader in driving distance went from 289 to 306. That 15 yard delta has a heck of lot more to do with equipment changes than dudes taking PEDs. Tiger is Tiger because he has one of the best short games ever. Yes there are probably some golfers trying PEDs to get an advantage, but you are grossly over exaggerating the number.
Whoa, I really hadnt heard of much of this aspect of Earl. Yeah he was definitely aggressive and pushed his kid. He probably met tiger's mom while cheating on his first wife.
Wassabbe
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Zach Johnson doesn't hit it far. Steve Stricker isn't a bomber. Matt Kuchar. Luke Donald. Graeme McDowell. Jim Furyk. None of them hit it far off the tee. Hell, Tiger ranks 44th on tour in driving distance and has won 5 times. Anybody that thinks Tiger Woods is on steroids is an idiot who has never played golf. How would steroids help Tiger be the 4th best putter on tour this year?
Uh Oh, someone just brought a gun to a knife fight.
sportstalent
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Every QB juices to be able to throw for 4,000 yards every year...does every sport have to be juicing to evolve?
Do people on the PGA tour use PEDS, probably, but I don't think it is as common as some would like to think.
Why are there more and more regulations on equipment every year? Why did the groove change take place? Why are long putters being regulated?
Golf is one of the few sports where power is important, but I don't see how PEDS help a guy put it in the fairway.
Phil Mickelson probably uses since finally won the British Open...needed that last little push to get over the top...
Do people on the PGA tour use PEDS, probably, but I don't think it is as common as some would like to think.
Why are there more and more regulations on equipment every year? Why did the groove change take place? Why are long putters being regulated?
Golf is one of the few sports where power is important, but I don't see how PEDS help a guy put it in the fairway.
Phil Mickelson probably uses since finally won the British Open...needed that last little push to get over the top...
Really, a compact swing to hit farther? Wow, every instructor I've heard says to widen the arc to increase speed, thus more distance. I will let them know they are wrong. You really don't need much strength to hit the ball far, if your technique is solid.
Sparky
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It obviously couldn't be the fact that the leaders for driving distance are all younger players that are new to the tour with a more power focused swing could it?
Bubba Watson is also on that list and in 2006 when joining the PGA was averaging 319 yards on his drives, now he's at 305. If the equipment has so much to do with it then why hasn't Bubba improved on his driving distance?
Has his driving accuracy improved since 2006? That could be your answer.
Sparky
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You know nothing about golf. A compact golf swing is the best golf swing. Plain and simple.
I found this website, it has the simplest explanation of a compact golf swing which may be easier for you to understand since at this point your so wrong it makes me laugh.
What Is A Compact Golf Swing?
Sparky
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We're not talking about accuracy, we're talking about distance.
Sparky
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Earl really was a dirt bag in my opinion. It sheds a lot of light on why Tiger turned out the way he is.
ATLHawkeye
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John Daly was juiced... with PBR! 
