herkyattack
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If Royce hasn't developed any semblance of a jump shot by the time he's 21, I doubt he's ever going to develop one.
Draft Royce or Barnes?
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If Royce hasn't developed any semblance of a jump shot by the time he's 21, I doubt he's ever going to develop one.
azhawkphan
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If you are not a 3 point specialist, you don't need a jump shot to make it in todays NBA. Very, very few players have a mid-range game. Layups, Dunks, or 3 pointers.
Not saying this is a bad thing, it is just what the game has evolved into.
RocknRollface
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Depends on how hard he works at it. I doubt hes ever worked much at it.
There are examples of guys who could not shoot at all when they entered and ended up being serviceable. Jason Kidd comes to mind.
BlindDogScooter
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Barnes... hands down. I don't see Royce being a lottery pick... might even be 2nd round.
Barnes. He will extend his range to the arc,and can play the 2 or 3. He reminds me of Sean Elliot out of Arizona. Guys that can always get their jump shots off are always valuable, which is why 6'8'' is great size for a 2/3. Barnes is only 19, White is two years older. In two year Barnes will be more developed. He wants it,and he has discipline...and he will not get in trouble. White? Never know.
Is this a joke. While Royce will make it in the NBA for a few years, his skill set does not really translate all that well to the NBA. See Checklist
NBA Size for position___ Nope (being a guy who has to have back to basket at his size will be tough)
NBA range for position______ Nope (can't consitantly make outside sho,t huge problem)
Great Decision maker _________ Nope (this guy was so slow and deliberate at times it was paniful to watch, not gonna happen in the NBA see Marcus Fizer)
Harrision Barnes is a first round pick not so sure White is.
White is a good player, however just because he plays for an in state school it does not make hime a lottery pick.
NBA Size for position___ Nope (being a guy who has to have back to basket at his size will be tough)
NBA range for position______ Nope (can't consitantly make outside sho,t huge problem)
Great Decision maker _________ Nope (this guy was so slow and deliberate at times it was paniful to watch, not gonna happen in the NBA see Marcus Fizer)
Harrision Barnes is a first round pick not so sure White is.
White is a good player, however just because he plays for an in state school it does not make hime a lottery pick.
clicheusername3
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I don't get the comparisons of White with Fizer all of the time. Because they are lighter skin and are ripped? Completely different skillsets and different games. Royce has a lot more of the street in him than Fizer does which will translate well to the NBA.
Barnes will go higher, but White COULD be better. Its all about situation in the NBA.
clicheusername3
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Really? Off of that list this is the one that stands out for you as off? haha.
Barnes will be top 5 pick as he should be. And he will be picked well before White is.
clicheusername3
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I haven't really seen White take a jump shot? Maybe with the shot clock running down? His free-throws are terrible but there are great shooters that don't average what you think they should from the line. Not saying White has a jumper or not but I didn't really see him even trying jump shots in the games that I watched.
Another stupid clueless post...
Stanzi
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Whoa. Lottery pick? Yes. Top 5 pick? No way in this draft.
DexterMorgan
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NBA drafts on potential. Barnes hasn't been coached up yet. I think he's going to get a lot better.
Barnes, no brainer, and I’m a gigantic Royce fan. THAT SAID:
If Barnes gets drafted by a team whose offense is basically isolations with a PG with zero BBIQ (like the Wizards) Barnes will really struggle. I think if you draft Barnes you’re getting a good player that will help your team win and won’t embarrass your franchise off the court. He could easily play ten years for you. I’d be surprised if he ever makes an all-star team unless he can play in a drive and kick offense where he can bomb away open shots.
Royce could be highly effective in the right offense, I’ve been saying Golden State for a while. I’d love for him to go to Golden State. Unfortunately, they are either going to get a top 7 pick or lose their draft pick because of a dumb trade they made a few years ago. Royce isn’t a top 10 pick. Granted, they are tanking hard to try and get in the top seven (trading Monte Ellis for a hurt Bogut).
There are a lot of shorter guys with big bodies who are limited offensively who can really help their teams. David Lee and Paul Millsap for example. And there aren’t a whole lot of power forwards that are that much quicker than Royce. He’s got a lot to work on, but he can be a solid player at the next level.
If Barnes gets drafted by a team whose offense is basically isolations with a PG with zero BBIQ (like the Wizards) Barnes will really struggle. I think if you draft Barnes you’re getting a good player that will help your team win and won’t embarrass your franchise off the court. He could easily play ten years for you. I’d be surprised if he ever makes an all-star team unless he can play in a drive and kick offense where he can bomb away open shots.
Royce could be highly effective in the right offense, I’ve been saying Golden State for a while. I’d love for him to go to Golden State. Unfortunately, they are either going to get a top 7 pick or lose their draft pick because of a dumb trade they made a few years ago. Royce isn’t a top 10 pick. Granted, they are tanking hard to try and get in the top seven (trading Monte Ellis for a hurt Bogut).
There are a lot of shorter guys with big bodies who are limited offensively who can really help their teams. David Lee and Paul Millsap for example. And there aren’t a whole lot of power forwards that are that much quicker than Royce. He’s got a lot to work on, but he can be a solid player at the next level.
woodyk1
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Interesting comparison with Sean Elliot. If you listen to the Bill Simmons podcast, he had one this week with Steve Kerr who compared Barnes to Elliot. Kerr was saying that Elliot made plays in college when his team needed a bucket in regards to a shot or a pass where he has not seen that with Barnes yet (at least in important games). It will be interesting to see if Barnes can do that as he goes to the NBA.
ISUonthemove
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Barnes has more upside. A 6'8" wing, who can shoot the 3 over his defender is valuable. RW will never develop an "average" mid-range jumper, IMO. Just because his hands are so large. It's like the average human shooting a volleyball. Sounds ridiculous, but I believe it.
RW is a tough matchup, even in the NBA, but he is not going to beat his defender off the dribble as much and then dunk over a 7' stud.
RW is a tough matchup, even in the NBA, but he is not going to beat his defender off the dribble as much and then dunk over a 7' stud.
I would take Royce at this point either one would be a great pick. Royce has such amazing handles and passing ability along with amazing strength (should shatter the bench press record at nba combine rumored to be able to put it 29 times possibly 30) and he has shown glimpses of range out to the 3pt line but just not consistent enough has great form. The free throw problem is purely mental. He also has great quickness better then Terrence Jones a player he'll be compared to in the nba. Harrison just strikes me as a player who has so much potential but just can't seem to put it together has a lethal mid range game and can finish but thinks he's a 3pt shooter.
Barnes needs to get a better handle if he's going to be that type of player. At this point Barnes is a jumpshooter and little more. Just my opinion of course.
