Down goes Kentucky 57-59 to Robert Moris
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trj
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Yeah I get it. Just like their coach said, I held people out (and we lost) I saved players (and we lost), guess what dum dum, WIN more and you would be in the big dance. MAYBE your team just was not good enough to hold players out and still win.
Like I said, I am the greatest ever at everything, just sometimes I mailed it in. If they can use that excuse, I can also.
Winning requires execution with extreme prejudice. Not well this game we can relax.
ssckelley
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Kentucky has been to 53 NCAA tournaments, 15 Final Fours, and has won 8 championships an NIT bid got the last coach fired (Billy Gillispie). Calipari will get a pass since he coached them to a NC last season and his best player got hurt. But if he goes another season without a NCAA bid then Kentucky fans will be calling for his head. There has not been a coach at Kentucky that has failed to make the NCAA tournament (without sanctions) in back to back seasons since Adolph Rupp back in the 40s, back when some teams opted for the NIT.
tm3308
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Nobody should be commended for mailing it in. But anybody who would fire a guy like Calipari right now is an idiot. The guy had a combined record of 101-14 in his first three years in Lexington and progressed from Elite Eight to Final Four to national champs in those three years. You don't boot that out the door because they mailed in the NIT. It's beneath them, and if he DID get fired after that game, it would only be because they were in the NIT in the first place.
There are two types of "high rollers" the ones who take 500 and turn it into 15,000 and get all sorts of comps and the ones who fly in and drop 250,000 in one night and get all sorts of comps.
One is a winner and one is a loser. Losers pay the bills, thus they get comped and winners get comped because the house wants a shot at getting their money back.
If I am sitting across from a grandma at a high stakes table, do I (A). Take it easy on her? Or (B.) Beat her like a drum?
Section136
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olddue is saying if Calipari didnt have his team ready to play last night he should be fired today. That would mean olddude also wants Fran fired for how the team came out against Michigan in the 2nd half up in Ann Arbor.
tm is telling him how wrong he is.
tm is winning and olddude's corner should throw in the towel ASAP.
Everything olddude touches turns weird.
If a coach is underestimating or promoting a challenge as beneath him or his team, well that is always the first step to becoming a loser.
So he had them ready to go for the first half? Lame argument. 2nd half adjustments are not the same as not showing up.
tm3308
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You're making the mistake of looking at it from the perspective of the player in this metaphor. I'm looking at it from the perspective of the owner. And the guy like me (the NIT) doesn't get treated as anything special by casino owners (Kentucky).
And a guy who drops 500 is not a Vegas high roller. Vegas bet limits are between $150k-$300k, depending on the casino. $500 is a tip for the bellhop to those guys.
tm3308
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It's just a metaphor.
Who says Calipari did either of those things? Players, as dumb as some may be at a school like Kentucky, DO have minds of their own. Those players didn't sign on to play in the NIT. They came to go to Final Fours. As a guy who's spent the last couple years coaching, it can be pretty difficult to get players psyched up for something they just aren't excited about. And basketball players at a school like Kentucky are not going to be excited about the NIT.
WTF??? If that is how it is, then why did they even accept the invite? Oh I know because they did not want to be there and thus they just were not interested and lost.
As the analysts said after the game...KY is simply not a very good team right now,without the #1 pick in the NBA draft this spring, Noel. They have a guard court populated by a transfer from a mid-major,and Harrow,a transfer who could not play at NCSt....bad. They ended up with a walkon guard as their best player last nite.
It did not matter whether KY wanted to be there or not...they stink,and Robert Morris was a better team.
It did not matter whether KY wanted to be there or not...they stink,and Robert Morris was a better team.
Part of the gig (a big part), it is what you get paid to do. Players are not excited about lifting for hours, or running for hours. They are not excited about two a day in 90 degree heat. Hard yes, but that is why some coaches are better than others.
tm3308
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It's a lot easier to get them to do those things than it is to get defending national champions excited about playing games that mean absolutely nothing in the NIT.
Question for those who say Kentucky mailed it in because it was the NIT. Why did they comeback numerous times from 10-15 point deficits if they didn't want to be there and didn't care? That doesn't happen if you don't want to be there. They may have underestimated Robert Morris and the atmosphere, but most of them didn't mail it in, those who did were sitting on the bench as their coach said after the game.
Benddontbreak
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Kentucky just got the #3 overall player for the 2013 class. That makes #3, 5, 6, 7, 11, and 18 in the ESPN top 100 for Kentucky. They’re saying this class is a greater recruiting class than the fab 5.
It's called pride and being a competitor. I coach and I always tell my players that if you're not here to learn and play hard then go home because you'll be wasting everyone's time for nothing. Doesn't matter if they are the most gifted athlete, go home if you're bored and don't want to be there.
