To be honest, I didn't know how the the subject came up. You will see other posts on this very thread where I said - it was either asked, or the players brought it up themselves, I didn't know. Now I do, and it doesn't change how I feel about it, which I also stated in several posts as well. Not a good look, they need to be tougher, and shouldn't have brought it up. But I am sure it probably bothered them, it's only human that it did. I didn't address your question because I didn't feel like it was relevant nor did I mean the response your holding on to as "gospel" of how the subject came to fruition.