Don't count out Moss
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It's almost like some think Williams was the huge recruit and Cook was the one nobody offered.
Offers don't matter anymore after you've played a season. From the minutes I've seen Williams play in college I predict he's going to be good. I've only seen Cook play twice so it's not a lot to go on, but for those full two games, he only did one thing that impressed me. He had a really sweet turn around jumper. I've also seen highlights that impress the hell out of me. Remember. I'm not saying it won't happen, just that I can't predict it as of now.
I've been high on Williams since the minute Fran signed him. Picking him up at the last minute made absolutely no sense unless he was really good. I feel the same way about Dailey too. I think Fran was maybe a little too loyal to the seniors and that's why Williams didn't play more. I also understand his loyalty in that situation tho.
Again, I don't care about Williams recruiting ranking anymore because he has already played a year.
A season in which he played 101 total minutes (much of which was against weak competition in the preseason or blowout games) and averaged 1.4 PPG.
We really haven't seen Williams play, and the fact that Ellingson was ahead of him for the majority of the season means he wasn't exactly killing it in practice either...
The thing is he really didn't even play at all and only scored 27 points on the entire season but you expect him to score more than a player that could have gone anywhere he wanted and Fran is telling people he's a starter before he even steps on campus.
ibahawkeye
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It's much more complex than just comparing Williams to Cook. We have Baer, Uhl, Wagner and Jones who can all play some minutes at the 4, some the 5.
Williams just doesn't' have any competition at the PG. I think Williams will play more minutes than Cook which will obviously play a roll in scoring opportunities. I like Bohannon as much as anyone but he's not a come in take over the program or play a lot of minutes right away. I heard an Iowa Beat guy on the radio the other day... wanna say Morehouse say playing time will be 60/40 between Williams and Bohannon and I can't imagine Bohannon playing that much. I'm thinking closer to 75/25 or 80/20.
Plus I think it's even more difficult for big guys to adjust in making the step from high school to college.
I think Cook will play 25 mpg. I don't know that Williams will play much more than that.
I'm anxious to see Moss in the PTL this summer. His name hasn't been mentioned at all as someone who can play spot PG duties but based off the very little I have seen him play his handles look better than Williams; not sure about his decision making.
Fran has even brought up the idea of Jok playing PG this year, which is as ridiculous as it is worrisome. I love Jok, but a year ago he could barely dribble. He's still not someone who can create his own shot, let alone someone you want handling the ball the length of the court.
Fran has even brought up the idea of Jok playing PG this year, which is as ridiculous as it is worrisome. I love Jok, but a year ago he could barely dribble. He's still not someone who can create his own shot, let alone someone you want handling the ball the length of the court.
You're wrong about most of his minutes in pre season and blowouts. Most of his minutes came in the last 10 games or so. His two best games were at MSU and home against Indiana. Just watching him play and seeing how smooth and effortless he plays makes me think his shorter opponents are going to have trouble. And like someone just said, he will play more minutes than Cook.
Fran said Woody was a starter before he came on campus. It didn't mean Woody was a scorer.
He played 38 minutes total in the last 10 games of the season. I think Cook will play 25 mpg or so, he is better than Williams but Williams might play the same amount of minutes out of necessity. I think Cook will be a better scorer
Don't remind me. You listed one of CW's best two games as one of them being at Michigan State where he didn't even score, had 1 assist, 1 rebound and 1 TO. I'm not sure Williams is the scorer you think he is
I know he wasn't the scorer last year. Not many freshman are going to come in and jack up shots when they play on a team with 4 senior starters. Fleming did and lost Fran's trust. What I saw from Williams makes me think he will be a scorer. Did you watch games or do you just read the box score?
I watched the games and watched the entire season, we had a pretty average PG ahead of him all season and a below average Big Ten player ahead of him a majority of the season. He scored 27 points on the entire season and people think he's going to average double digit points and be better than Tyler Cook. I don't understand it, he's not even playing his natural position
He's not a jump shooter, and frankly a long ways away from being labeled a 'scorer'. I expect 7-9 PPG. Just curious, what do you expect him to average next year?
He had some really good looking pull up 10 footers. I think he will be at 10 or a little over. I think Cook will be just behind. I'm thinking there will be 5 or so guys in the 8-12 range.
Playing out of position didn't hurt Marble's scoring.
Christian Williams isn't Devyn Marble.
lightning1
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Williams has some tools. I could see him averaging 8 or 9 ppg. Jok is going to draw a lot of attention
