Don't blame Goetz

All the joking I've done tonight lets get real here. No matter what happens will it really matter? We aren't likely to be significantly relevant in either sport from here on out. Unless you think finishing in sixth or seventh place is relevant. When Kirk retires or get fired (which could happen in ten years when he is out there using a walker) who is going to take his place that will even move the dial?

My advice just put a warm body in the football program (this will be kirk in twenty years in a wheel chair with an oxygen tank) and focus all money in the basketball program. Less players to finance.

Sometimes when things look the bleakest you just have to learn how to laugh at it all. I am trying tonight.

Now I heard Chris Collins name being tossed around about three weeks ago............... oops.
He done pretty good where he is now and for God sakes we have always been a much better program than them well since.......................... the cavemen picked up a round boulder and threw it against a crater wall. Yeah you guessed it ........... no Iowa players were there to get the rebound.
 
If you can’t see that there isn’t anything available even in the same conversation then idk how you can expect “better”. Program wasn’t in a bad position going forward. My hopes for better days have nothing to do with how terribly this whole thing has been handled. Your boner for wanting better outweighs reality.
I guess a serious question would be, how many players were leaving even if Fran was coming back next year? It was just talk but just about everyone expected to lose some of our guys from a team that barely made the big ten tournament. Has any of the post season tournaments invited Iowa? That's a serious question and a serious problem all in one.

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I guess a serious question would be, how many players were leaving even if Fran was coming back next year? It was just talk but just about everyone expected to lose some of our guys from a team that barely made the big ten tournament. Has any of the post season tournaments invited Iowa? That's a serious question and a serious problem all in one.

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Iowa would have definitely been in the NIT or Crown. Before the Big Ten Tourney they had Iowa projected as a 5 seed in the NIT. With winning vs nebby and Ohio State we would have probably gotten a Crown or better seed in NIT.
 
If you can’t see that there isn’t anything available even in the same conversation then idk how you can expect “better”. Program wasn’t in a bad position going forward. My hopes for better days have nothing to do with how terribly this whole thing has been handled. Your boner for wanting better outweighs reality.
Fran got a fair shake at Iowa. 15 years is loyal for both sides. Only time will tell what becomes of this hire.
 
I guess a serious question would be, how many players were leaving even if Fran was coming back next year? It was just talk but just about everyone expected to lose some of our guys from a team that barely made the big ten tournament. Has any of the post season tournaments invited Iowa? That's a serious question and a serious problem all in one.

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Iowa’s current roster wasn’t good enough to make a top 64 tournament 2 years in a row, next years would have been just as unproven and likely short some guys who were miserable this year when Iowa was clearly outmatched and boat raced. The game has changed, loyalty doesn’t matter, building with HS kids doesn’t matter and Iowa needs someone who embraces the challenges Iowa hoops is beyond X’s and O’s. Iowa needs a fundraiser, a coach, and a face of the program.
 
Iowa’s current roster wasn’t good enough to make a top 64 tournament 2 years in a row, next years would have been just as unproven and likely short some guys who were miserable this year when Iowa was clearly outmatched and boat raced. The game has changed, loyalty doesn’t matter, building with HS kids doesn’t matter and Iowa needs someone who embraces the challenges Iowa hoops is beyond X’s and O’s. Iowa needs a fundraiser, a coach, and a face of the program.
Yep.

I know I posted this shortly after Frans departure but it is pretty much what you are saying.

 
Starting to think about it, Indiana just went out and snagged the WVU coach, who just missed the tournament, despite a robust NIL, rabid fan base and money to pay top dollar for a coach. This is their guy, again, who missed the tournament. Does he have a tourney win? how many NCAA wins? And Indiana went and bought him out? He took the WV job immediately after signing an 8 year deal with Drake and now is on his 3rd job in 3 years?

Surely this dude has ton of tournament success to bring this kind of juice? Hell Alford had a S16 at a mid major right?

What has Devries done really I guess and that’s what Indiana fans are now asking. I’m not having any buyers remorse, at least yet.

I’m gonna talk myself into whoever we end up with lol, but this wasn’t like, Shaka Smart or Hurley or some sure shot shit…. Indiana reached and for what??? To beat out Iowa ????lol. Soft, I think they just over spent on a coach who’s on a roller coaster ride of emotions.

Devries is their what, 4th or 5th pick if you believe what you read ??))and the fan base is having a meltdown already with hiring a guy who no tournament success who just missed it with a big budget.

Shits a game of chess. Only time will tell.
 
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Who's responsible for getting the dollars, if not the AD?
Brad Heinrichs and the donors. They don’t want to give any money for basketball.

Can you blame them? I mean WTF?

If Heinrichs or Goetz came to you and said, “Hey, would you consider donating a million dollars to this program” what would you say?

I’d tell them to tell me why I should give a million dollars and I’d probably respond with the whole if ifs and buts were candy and nuts proverb.

The people giving the money want it going to football. As would I. This program is cooked and we’re only seeing the top of the ice berg.
 
Iowa’s current roster wasn’t good enough to make a top 64 tournament 2 years in a row, next years would have been just as unproven and likely short some guys who were miserable this year when Iowa was clearly outmatched and boat raced.
I will argue that there was decent enough talent on the roster to be a top 25 team. But the lack of coaching to consistently play defense and rebound killed their chances.

I the NIL $$$ received next season by Freeman, Sanford, Harding, and Dix will validate that.
 
Why the Fu*k wont this website let me type Dr ? It keeps changing it to Mr, I swear this has happened a dozen times!
Its Fry's voodoo. He has changed the setting on the system so that every time you type in what you did, it changes doctor to Mr. Fry doesn't like Davis and thinks Fran was better, so this is his cute little way of jabbing those of us who recognized Davis went to a couple Elite 8s, Sweet 16s and never lost in the first round of the tourney in his career.

He has done this for a lot of different variables, so you have to be creative to say on here D OCTOR Tom.
 
Look, the reality is that the biggest driver of firing Fran was not performance on the court. The guy has been consistently above average in the regular season and generally gets into the tourney (and then craps out). He has had two average seasons with a couple of young teams, but had one of Iowa's best incoming classes put together and Iowa was poised to be formidable next season. On paper, the right basketball move was to keep Fran.

She fired Fran because of a half empty arena, donors who checked out, and paltry NIL support.

I am confident her calculus is that those dynamics were unlikely to improve under Fran, and a new, engaged coach, coupled with an arena facelift, can get butts back in the seats and dollars flowing back to MBB. We should all certainly expect a honeymoon phase with the new coach.

Face it gents, Fran was bad for business. Plain and simple.
 
Look, the reality is that the biggest driver of firing Fran was not performance on the court. The guy has been consistently above average in the regular season and generally gets into the tourney (and then craps out). He has had two average seasons with a couple of young teams, but had one of Iowa's best incoming classes put together and Iowa was poised to be formidable next season. On paper, the right basketball move was to keep Fran.

She fired Fran because of a half empty arena, donors who checked out, and paltry NIL support.

I am confident her calculus is that those dynamics were unlikely to improve under Fran, and a new, engaged coach, coupled with an arena facelift, can get butts back in the seats and dollars flowing back to MBB. We should all certainly expect a honeymoon phase with the new coach.

Face it gents, Fran was bad for business. Plain and simple.
100% and it isn't going to be an overnight resurrection either. Whomever the new coach is will have to prove it before fans start coming back and opening their wallets. I'll be pleasantly surprised if Iowa has any sellouts next yr before the team looks worth a darn. I just don't see that happening..

It could be a 2-3-4 yr thing before we dig out of this. What Fran did digging us out of the Lickliter hole pretty fast was impressive. Granted that was pre NIL/portal. Todays college hoops world can make it easier to flip rosters. But will that keep them stuck in the hole longer or what?. We'll just have to see.
 
Look, the reality is that the biggest driver of firing Fran was not performance on the court. The guy has been consistently above average in the regular season and generally gets into the tourney (and then craps out). He has had two average seasons with a couple of young teams, but had one of Iowa's best incoming classes put together and Iowa was poised to be formidable next season. On paper, the right basketball move was to keep Fran.

She fired Fran because of a half empty arena, donors who checked out, and paltry NIL support.

I am confident her calculus is that those dynamics were unlikely to improve under Fran, and a new, engaged coach, coupled with an arena facelift, can get butts back in the seats and dollars flowing back to MBB. We should all certainly expect a honeymoon phase with the new coach.

Face it gents, Fran was bad for business. Plain and simple.
Yep, and half empty is generous. It was worse than that.

That's why the "careful what you wish for" rings hollow. Iowa fans aren't wishing for anything. They aren't kicking Fran out because he didn't win Big Ten titles. They simply don't give enough of a shit to show up.

What's the downside of making the move? Iowa has a losing conference record, misses the tourney, and fans don't come to the games? Like where things sit now?

I think Fran would have struggled to retain the better players on this year's roster. There was a huge risk in worsening the fan base's apathy...people aren't even pissed anymore.
 
How far away are we from naming one of Iowa’s current assistants as “interim” ?
Or, someone out there to accept that role? Retired or fired coach?
 
Yep, and half empty is generous. It was worse than that.

That's why the "careful what you wish for" rings hollow. Iowa fans aren't wishing for anything. They aren't kicking Fran out because he didn't win Big Ten titles. They simply don't give enough of a shit to show up.

What's the downside of making the move? Iowa has a losing conference record, misses the tourney, and fans don't come to the games? Like where things sit now?

I think Fran would have struggled to retain the better players on this year's roster. There was a huge risk in worsening the fan base's apathy...people aren't even pissed anymore.
I agree with this. But I think that would have been more due to the lack of NIL funds than not wanting to be on the team any longer. Players liked playing for Fran.
 
How far away are we from naming one of Iowa’s current assistants as “interim” ?
Or, someone out there to accept that role? Retired or fired coach?
Good question. They are aways off from that though I'd think. I'd bet we'll have a coach before the final 4 gets here. And that's what 3 weeks out or so? I'd say that's worse case scenario... If it takes longer then that just make Matt Gatens the coach
 
Good question. They are aways off from that though I'd think. I'd bet we'll have a coach before the final 4 gets here. And that's what 3 weeks out or so? I'd say that's worse case scenario... If it takes longer then that just make Matt Gatens the coach
Wonder what the reaction would be if it ends up being Gatens?? It ain't going to happen, but it would be hilarious to read the message boards.
 
Wonder what the reaction would be if it ends up being Gatens?? It ain't going to happen, but it would be hilarious to read the message boards.
Yeah that'd sure be wild. He's not even close to 40 yet is he? Wouldn't be the craziest thing ever but it probably wouldn't be ideal for awhile that's for sure.
 
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