Does eno sign with iowa
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HawkeyeBrewer
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Stop jumping to conclusions on a situation you don't do not know ALL the details about. /thread
deanvogs
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There is enough info that people can make up their minds. Simple facts that we know:
1) Eno visited both Mizzu and ASU in a way that was secretive. In a day and age where everything is known he made visits that he didn't even tweet about, or talk about. This from a kid who tweets non stop?
2) Iowa didn't pull his offer after the Mizzu visit.
3) After the ASU visit happened a big rift occurred between Eno and the staff.
4) Eno says the coaches moved on and "couldn't get over his visits".
I don't think people that come to their own conclusions are making "false accusations". We are asked to make much bigger decision about who to elect in his country with much less clarity as to what might have happened in wayyyyyy more important matters. Like what did Hillary actually do with classified materials, or did the Donald sexually assault those women, or did Bill sexually assault women, or did George Bush mislead the public to go to war, and on and on and on.
So please stop trying to act like we have some moral duty to not make a judgement about what we feel happened in a simple case of a football recruit and a program parting ways. In the scheme of life this means nothing.
SteveGarvey1
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Except that Hillary, Trump and George Bush are all older figures in the public arena who know there will be scrutiny, while Eno is only 17 years old. That's not an accurate analogy.
But it's accurate in the fact that one is a huge deal and one is not a big deal what's so ever. Even if people say he lied about the visits, who cares. There is a big difference between saying someone lied because the truth would get them in trouble (something everyone has had to do at some point) and calling someone a liar.
deanvogs
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Yeah, I mean one is deciding who the leader of the free world is, and the other won't affect anyone in any possible way.
The point is you will never have 100% of all information all the time. We send people to prison for life because a jury believed something "beyond a reasonable doubt". The threshold to take a persons freedom from them is "reasonable doubt" not 100% for certain without 1% of doubt.
I can certainly make up my mind if Eno was less than truthful by the facts that I know, and others can decide that KF pulled the scholarship because he visited another school. Save the righteous indignation for people from false accusations of capital crimes.....not for kids who may or may not have been less than truthful to the Iowa football program.
deanvogs
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Exactly. This whole crowd shouting that if you think Eno was less than truthful you are then saying he is some huge liar is just stupid. People are misleading for reasons that are sometimes justified, sometimes selfish, sometimes selfless, for all sorts of reasons. To say that a 17 year old kid who didn't necessarily tell the truth is somehow some great big liar is just stupid, and shows you can't use logical thought or reasoning.
RobHowe
Administrator
Saying a kid is misleading the coaches and is not telling the truth comes off as calling him a liar. It just does. And you've been pounding that drum more than anyone else on our board since Iowa cut ties with Eno. And you still don't know that the kid was misleading or not telling the truth to the coaches. So, regardless of semantics, you're calling him a liar without knowing he is.
RobHowe
Administrator
1) Eno visited both Mizzu and ASU in a way that was secretive. In a day and age where everything is known he made visits that he didn't even tweet about, or talk about. This from a kid who tweets non stop?
YOU DON'T KNOW THIS. IT IS NOT A PROVEN FACT.
And please don't say I'm calling another reporter a liar. Stand up for yourself for promoting a charge against a high school kid that you're not sure of. Own it.
deanvogs
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It isn't my fault that you can't differentiate between the two. If you can't understand the difference, then I'm done trying to explain it to you. What I'm not going to do is sit and let you claim that I am saying something that I'm not because you can't seem to understand the difference between them. Eno is a 17 year old kid, and if he isn't 100% honest 100% of the time, well then he is like me, and probably you and every other person on the planet. I am NOT bashing Eno for this, so stop claiming I am saying something that I have now clarified for the millionth time now.
I do know for a fact that Eno didn't tweet about planning on visiting Missouri or ASU. I do know for a fact that Eno didn't tweet out anything about his visits to Missouri or ASU.
I do stand up for myself, I am an adult. I educate myself with all sides of an situation before forming an opinion. It seems that you don't like the fact that there is a credible reporter who has come out and given a different side to this story. Since I am not a reporter, I don't have access to interview Eno or the coaches or talk to people who know what went on, I then in turn trust those who do this for a living.
How do you get your news Rob? Do you read articles by credible people who have a track record that you can trust and then form your opinions from the information they provide? That is all I am doing. I have read your articles, I have read what Eno has to say. I have also read and listened to what Kakert has said and written on this as well. I have then formed an opinion of what I think happened. I'm assuming this is exactly what you do when forming opinions about Presidential candidates, and people running for elected office. That is how it works Rob, you understand this, so please get off your high horse and don't act like we can't consume news and form opinions, even if they are different than what you report or an opinion that you form.
There is also a difference between saying "I think he lied" and "he lied". I agree with Dean that when a kid is all over twitter all the time then doesn't tweet at all about a visit, it's pretty obvious he was being secretive about it. I just don't think Iowa should have cut ties over it.
RobHowe
Administrator
You don't need to make me understand anything, Dean. I understand perfectly well that saying someone isn't be truthful is saying they're lying. People on here that you argue with read it that way, too.
So, because a kid isn't tweeting he's visiting schools means he's not communicating with the Iowa coaches? That's your evidence that he wasn't being truthful? Seriously?
As for the question about where I get my information, I speak with people involved. Is that what you're doing? If you're speaking with the Iowa coaches and Eno, I stand corrected. And maybe we should hire you at HN.
So, because a kid isn't tweeting he's visiting schools means he's not communicating with the Iowa coaches? That's your evidence that he wasn't being truthful? Seriously?
As for the question about where I get my information, I speak with people involved. Is that what you're doing? If you're speaking with the Iowa coaches and Eno, I stand corrected. And maybe we should hire you at HN.
trj
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Maybe "disingenuous" is a better word to use here. I get the distinction you guys are getting at but "I think he lied" and "he lied" really does feel like semantics.
deanvogs
Well-Known Member
Do you form opinions of electoral candidates without ever speaking to them? Of course you do, so do I. You use news media to figure out what to believe or not believe about them.
If that is your definition of a liar, I can confidently and without hesitation call you a liar, myself a liar and Eno a liar then. We are all liars according to you then, unless you maintain that you have always and without exception been 100% truthful, never held back any information from any situation ever. I think there was one person who walked this planet that can avoid your definition of "Liar".
Tom Kakert reported that Eno took a visit without telling the coaches. That is my evidence, do you have evidence the directly refutes this? If so you didn't put that in your articles. If you do have direct evidence to contradict this I would take it under consideration and then maybe reform my opinions. You see that is what people do Rob, they consume news media and try to form opinions. Without consumers like me, you wouldn't have a job....yet you are ripping on me cause I don't have direct access to the coaches, players, and recruits? So therefore I don't then have the right to have an opinion, you are the only person entitled to an opinion? I don't see you challenging the opinions of posters who claim this is all KF fault, his ego caused this, or they pulled the offer because of a visit, or he is a lazy recruiter. Those people never talked to Eno or KF, challenge their opinions why don't you?
RobHowe
Administrator
That's quite a leap making an analogy about an adult running for office, who speaks publicly about policy, etc., and a minor searching for a college football program.
KF is an adult and a public figure. He has an ability to publicly defend himself, which he did at this week's presser. He's not a high school kid in Texas. That's the difference.
Listen, I'm done arguing with you on this. You can continue posting in multiple threads that you KNOW this kid, as you wrote, took visits in secret and was not thruthful (a liar) and pass it off as your informed opinion. I think it's wrong. And if you infer that those of us that feel that way are stupid, which you wrote in a post in this thread, I'm going to call you on it.
KF is an adult and a public figure. He has an ability to publicly defend himself, which he did at this week's presser. He's not a high school kid in Texas. That's the difference.
Listen, I'm done arguing with you on this. You can continue posting in multiple threads that you KNOW this kid, as you wrote, took visits in secret and was not thruthful (a liar) and pass it off as your informed opinion. I think it's wrong. And if you infer that those of us that feel that way are stupid, which you wrote in a post in this thread, I'm going to call you on it.
deanvogs
Well-Known Member
The analogy is about how you get information on people and situations that you are not part of. I'm not comparing Eno to Political candidates. You are lecturing me that I can't form an opinion because I haven't talked to Eno or KF. Yet that is exactly how people consume media, including you. Consumers can trust people in the media that have proven trustworthy. I am unaware of Kakert being dishonest in his reporting so I believe what he reported on he Eno situation. Just like you have proven trustworthy in your reporting and I trust what you report as well. You gave us Eno's side, Kakert gave us a staff perspective, and I am free to form my opinions from all of this.
IMO a 17 year old got himself tangled up in something he didn't totally understand and did not realize the ramifications of what he was about to do. Most HS superstars are coddled to know end and don't really grasp the seriousness that some people take this commitment stuff. Instead of talking to the young man and turning this into a life lesson. Ferentz went judge, jury and executioner on him. I really don't care how he went about taking those visits. He could have worn a disguise for all I care. Ferentz should have gone mentor on him instead. I have the feeling it's not to late.
