Did Hightower & Co. cheat us out of Cartwright's heave?

Iowafarmgirl said:
Brackets don't tell you who the better team is. I guess a way to picture my philosophy is this. If a team plays 100% up its potential, the refs cannot rob them. If a team plays below its potential, then they can't blame the refs, they have to blame themselves.

Now, since I think playing to 100% of your capabilities is a philosophical impossibility, the natural result is that the refs cannot rob you. You can always play better in spite of the refs, so the team always has themselves to blame before the officials.



/clear as mud?
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So, in other words, TWO flaws have emerged:

1) Your philosophy is flawed. No other way to put it.

2) Your "facts" are flawed. Refs, umps and other officials "rob" teams" all the time. Unless the 1985 Cardinals-Royals series has been "annulled". Ditto the 2006 Outback Bowl. And of course, Charles White's "touchdown" in the 1979 or 1980 Rose Bowl. (Last I checked, crossing the goal line is an integral part of scoring a touchdown. Yard lines 1-50 are yard lines, not end-zone "borders"). And the 1972 US Men's Olympic basketball team would have a SERIOUS argument with your "philosophy". Them and about half a billion other people that have since seen the game on replay/rebroadcast.

Other than THOSE examples, I guess your "philosophy" could be pretty solid...
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
So, in other words, TWO flaws have emerged:

1) Your philosophy is flawed. No other way to put it.

2) Your "facts" are flawed. Refs, umps and other officials "rob" teams" all the time. Unless the 1985 Cardinals-Royals series has been "annulled". Ditto the 2006 Outback Bowl. And of course, Charles White's "touchdown" in the 1979 or 1980 Rose Bowl. (Last I checked, crossing the goal line is an integral part of scoring a touchdown. Yard lines 1-50 are yard lines, not end-zone "borders"). And the 1972 US Men's Olympic basketball team would have a SERIOUS argument with your "philosophy". Them and about half a billion other people that have since seen the game on replay/rebroadcast.

I do know that Iowa was the better team than UCLA in the '86 Rose Bowl. We all know what happened (allegedly) there.
Other than THOSE examples, I guess your "philosophy" could be pretty solid...
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Sorry, I messed the previous msg. up.

I do know that Iowa was a better team than UCLA at the '86 Rose Bowl. We all know what happened (allegedly) there.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
So, in other words, TWO flaws have emerged:

1) Your philosophy is flawed. No other way to put it.

2) Your "facts" are flawed. Refs, umps and other officials "rob" teams" all the time. Unless the 1985 Cardinals-Royals series has been "annulled". Ditto the 2006 Outback Bowl. And of course, Charles White's "touchdown" in the 1979 or 1980 Rose Bowl. (Last I checked, crossing the goal line is an integral part of scoring a touchdown. Yard lines 1-50 are yard lines, not end-zone "borders"). And the 1972 US Men's Olympic basketball team would have a SERIOUS argument with your "philosophy". Them and about half a billion other people that have since seen the game on replay/rebroadcast.

Other than THOSE examples, I guess your "philosophy" could be pretty solid...
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You know what, I just typed a really long response which delves into, among other things, the theory of relativity, the plot of Slaughterhouse 5, and Biblical theories on fate and destiny. However, I think my points in this thread so far have been obtuse enough, so rather than turning this into a bizaare philosophical debate on the nature of time, I will just bow out and say that I am 100% right and you guys need to deal with it :)
 
TChawk said:
Total BS, this just shows you don't have a LICK of knowledge about sports.
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I think you all are arguing over two different things. I agree with FarmGirl that the team that wins the game (outside of refs being on the take or players on the take) is better that day. The better team won the game that day.

I think the better team for a certain season can lose to an inferior team on a given day. The better team didn't win the game.

It all depends on how you look at it, on whichever philosophical bent you're using.

Oh, and what does Lick have to do with it?
 
SteveGarvey said:
I think you all are arguing over two different things. I agree with FarmGirl that the team that wins the game (outside of refs being on the take or players on the take) is better that day. The better team won the game that day.

I think the better team for a certain season can lose to an inferior team on a given day. The better team didn't win the game.

It all depends on how you look at it, on whichever philosophical bent you're using.

Oh, and what does Lick have to do with it?
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You will hardly ever be the best team on a given day or any other day for that matter if Lick is coaching. The last 3 years are proof of that.
 
tweeterhawk said:
On the following video, carefully review the position of the ball and the lights on the backboard at :15 and :16. The ball is clearly out of Bryce's hands before the lights on the rear backboard go on.

YouTube - Cartwright & Iowa get hosed by Hightower, Again

Unless there is a malfunction, the lights should be the determining factor. They were added to the game to help officials get the call RIGHT when there is a successful shot close to expiration of the clock.

Iowa should have come out of the locker room at halftime with the same 11-point advantage they had going in.

Ed Hightower needs to retire.
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I DVRed that play at least a dozen times.....both the clock and the red light goes off and the ball was still in his hands. It was the right call....no question.
 
Iowafarmgirl said:
You know what, I just typed a really long response which delves into, among other things, the theory of relativity, the plot of Slaughterhouse 5, and Biblical theories on fate and destiny. However, I think my points in this thread so far have been obtuse enough, so rather than turning this into a bizaare philosophical debate on the nature of time, I will just bow out and say that I am 100% right and you guys need to deal with it :)
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PetqKh7lr8g]YouTube - dumbest thing[/ame]
 
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